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God Leto was innocent of all sin! Stop yer capitalist powindah propoganda, ya hear?
Ah, tyrant, tyrant, tyrant...what form of gov' isn't tyranical anyway?
If you control something, and there're obviously going to be some differences in opinions, then you're already a tyrant to some degree.
Western democracy is a laughable tyrany as well, with the rulling classes decieving the common people with illusions of free choice of gov'.
But you and I don't influence the choices they make, only powerful industrialists etc.
On the other hand you have socialist/communist countries that don't even give you that illusion(they do promise better conditions and equality to all, but even that they don't deliever), for the "benefit of the people", of course.
God Leto was a tyrant, yes, because a ruler can't be anythign but a tyrant to at least some groups with every new decision that's made.
But God Leto was the only tyrant who worked for everyone else but himself.
Ah, tyrant, tyrant, tyrant...what form of gov' isn't tyranical anyway?
If you control something, and there're obviously going to be some differences in opinions, then you're already a tyrant to some degree.
Western democracy is a laughable tyrany as well, with the rulling classes decieving the common people with illusions of free choice of gov'.
But you and I don't influence the choices they make, only powerful industrialists etc.
On the other hand you have socialist/communist countries that don't even give you that illusion(they do promise better conditions and equality to all, but even that they don't deliever), for the "benefit of the people", of course.
God Leto was a tyrant, yes, because a ruler can't be anythign but a tyrant to at least some groups with every new decision that's made.
But God Leto was the only tyrant who worked for everyone else but himself.
In memory of Perach, who suffered and died needlessly.
I wish I could have been with you that one last time.
I wish I could have been with you that one last time.
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Either way, it's a debate about whether or not a ruler in a science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future fits into a minor detail(connotations?) of a definition from a publicly-edited encyclopedia. I daresay it's not something to get worked up about, especially when we agree that Kevin J. Anderson is a hack.
We can compromise and say that Leto's reign was a species oriented Tyrannical Republic.
We can compromise and say that Leto's reign was a species oriented Tyrannical Republic.
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Phaedrus,
Who's getting worked up? If every discussion is cut off because we all agree that KJA is a hack, what's the point of visiting this website? EVERY debate in this section of the site is about a "science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future" are you saying that discussion of it isn't worthwhile? If not, what's your point?
Who's getting worked up? If every discussion is cut off because we all agree that KJA is a hack, what's the point of visiting this website? EVERY debate in this section of the site is about a "science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future" are you saying that discussion of it isn't worthwhile? If not, what's your point?
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I don't mind serious Dune discussion, but isn't this argument just a bit silly and purely semantics?Mandy wrote:Phaedrus,
Who's getting worked up? If every discussion is cut off because we all agree that KJA is a hack, what's the point of visiting this website? EVERY debate in this section of the site is about a "science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future" are you saying that discussion of it isn't worthwhile? If not, what's your point?
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^^^ Perhaps and yes.Phaedrus wrote:I don't mind serious Dune discussion, but isn't this argument just a bit silly and purely semantics?Mandy wrote:Phaedrus,
Who's getting worked up? If every discussion is cut off because we all agree that KJA is a hack, what's the point of visiting this website? EVERY debate in this section of the site is about a "science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future" are you saying that discussion of it isn't worthwhile? If not, what's your point?
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mjb0123 asked a question and we were discussing it. If this thread isn't super serious enough for you, you are free to go to a different thread, no? Should we find out what else you "don't mind" before discussing it?Phaedrus wrote:I don't mind serious Dune discussion, but isn't this argument just a bit silly and purely semantics?Mandy wrote:Phaedrus,
Who's getting worked up? If every discussion is cut off because we all agree that KJA is a hack, what's the point of visiting this website? EVERY debate in this section of the site is about a "science fiction novel set 20,000 years in the future" are you saying that discussion of it isn't worthwhile? If not, what's your point?
- Phaedrus
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Oh, lawd.Mandy wrote: mjb0123 asked a question and we were discussing it. If this thread isn't super serious enough for you, you are free to go to a different thread, no? Should we find out what else you "don't mind" before discussing it?
That was the definition you posted. The bolded section describes Leto pretty accurately, and that's the meat of the definition. There's a small aside about connotations of the word. In other words, things that aren't unique to a tyrant, but they come to mind when people think of tyrants. You're saying he's not a tyrant because he fails to meet that tiny little irrelevant criteria. I gave my reasons for why he is a tyrant. The question was answered, either way, and any further discussion is frankly getting more and more off-topic.In modern usage a tyrant is a single ruler holding vast, if not absolute power through a state or in an organization. The term carries modern connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who places his or her own interests or the interests of a small oligarchy over the best interests of the general population which the tyrant governs or controls.
I just think it's ridiculous to argue semantics, and since I'm the only person on one side of the argument, I was withdrawing in my own way. If you want to hear the sound of echoes, post away on the semantics of what it means to be a tyrant.
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I think I already understood that. But wait for it:
I didn't disagree that people didn't understand his reasons.
I assumed you were arguing that he wasn't a tyrant.Mandy wrote:He appeared to be a tyrant to the general population, how could they understand his GP? He wasn't really a tyrant since he had the best interests of the people at heart.
I didn't disagree that people didn't understand his reasons.
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Apparently, Fuckly is a rapper of some sort.
http://www.afromix.org/html/musique/art ... ex.en.html
I don't get it, myself.
http://www.afromix.org/html/musique/art ... ex.en.html
I don't get it, myself.
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