That's way more than I ever needed to know about vanilla. Thanks, I am no longer ingonant... about that.moreh_yeladim wrote:Read, fool! The difference between the "synthetic" and the "real thing" is in the impurities!Freakzilla wrote:I recently bought some "artificial vinilla extract". I'll never do that again.
I don't like artificial sweeteners or sugar substitutes, either.
Artificial vinilla and artificial sweeteners are NOT the same as the real thing, they are chemically and physically different.
I would accept man-made spice, but it's still spice.
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So I could now get my Spice in a variety of strengths from "Wimpy" to "Red Alert" to "Afterburner"?inhuien wrote:^^^ It would be Spicier. Duh!SandChigger wrote:What exactly would "improved it" mean, though?
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I'll take the Pepsi challenge with that Amsterdam shit, any day of the fuckin' week.moreh_yeladim wrote:So I could now get my Spice in a variety of strengths from "Wimpy" to "Red Alert" to "Afterburner"?inhuien wrote:^^^ It would be Spicier. Duh!SandChigger wrote:What exactly would "improved it" mean, though?
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Q.T QUOTE FTWinhuien wrote:I'll take the Pepsi challenge with that Amsterdam shit, any day of the fuckin' week.moreh_yeladim wrote:So I could now get my Spice in a variety of strengths from "Wimpy" to "Red Alert" to "Afterburner"?inhuien wrote:^^^ It would be Spicier. Duh!SandChigger wrote:What exactly would "improved it" mean, though?
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The use of the term synthetic in the case of Tleiaxu spice is most probably correct. In chemistry a synthetic chemical is one derived through chemical reaction(s) of reagents, and not obtained naturally. The process is referred to as a chemical synthesis, and the field is called synthetic chemistry.
Freak is absolutetly spot on when he says that the synthetic spice from the tanks is melange. A synthetic compound is identical to it's counterpart formed in nature. The term synthetic only indicates it's origin.
Of course nature doesn't just magic up complex molecules and these are often formed in a similar fashion to what we might cook up in the lab through many stages in a synthesis.
I say probably above because you might argue that Tleiaxu spice is formed 'naturally' i.e. in a living host but it is not produced through the sandtrout life cylce. Also I seem to recall we got a good glimpse of an Axoltl tank at one point and it seemed to me that the raw chemicals were fed into the tank, which acts as some form of chemical reactor.
Confusing terminology perhaps, especially the use of artificial which can imply a difference between the man-made item and nature's handiwork. The term synthetic (in chemistry) was first coined by Kolbe in the mid-1800s. Many others at the time believed that natural complex organic molecules could not be made in such a fashion as they would lack some sort of supernatural component. Personally, in the case of Tleilaxu spice, I think the term engineered might be the most appropriate.
When axolotl tanks arrive in the workplace we may need to rethink our terminology?
Freak is absolutetly spot on when he says that the synthetic spice from the tanks is melange. A synthetic compound is identical to it's counterpart formed in nature. The term synthetic only indicates it's origin.
Of course nature doesn't just magic up complex molecules and these are often formed in a similar fashion to what we might cook up in the lab through many stages in a synthesis.
I say probably above because you might argue that Tleiaxu spice is formed 'naturally' i.e. in a living host but it is not produced through the sandtrout life cylce. Also I seem to recall we got a good glimpse of an Axoltl tank at one point and it seemed to me that the raw chemicals were fed into the tank, which acts as some form of chemical reactor.
Confusing terminology perhaps, especially the use of artificial which can imply a difference between the man-made item and nature's handiwork. The term synthetic (in chemistry) was first coined by Kolbe in the mid-1800s. Many others at the time believed that natural complex organic molecules could not be made in such a fashion as they would lack some sort of supernatural component. Personally, in the case of Tleilaxu spice, I think the term engineered might be the most appropriate.
When axolotl tanks arrive in the workplace we may need to rethink our terminology?
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Any volunteers?Ziggy wrote:When axolotl tanks arrive in the workplace we may need to rethink our terminology?
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I'll donate sperm.SadisticCynic wrote:Any volunteers?Ziggy wrote:When axolotl tanks arrive in the workplace we may need to rethink our terminology?
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I'm sure thare are plenty of oxygen thief candidates out there who could be put to better use as a tank. I've got a nice little corner in the lab waiting for Paris Hilton.
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incorporate a dicthater to it:SandChigger wrote: Heck, they mixed pigs and slugs, fercryssakes!
What exactly would "improved it" mean, though?
too skinny to make a good tank, just feed her to the sligs!Ziggy wrote: I've got a nice little corner in the lab waiting for Paris Hilton.
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On the other hand her Genetic code can only be improved on.
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What if the HLP had their own tank that they can feed FH's novels into and it shits out some random mutation once a year? Oh wait...
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after that post about synthetic chemicals, I was starting to think this oneZiggy wrote:What if the HLP had their own tank that they can feed FH's novels into and it shits out some random mutation once a year? Oh wait...
might be too damn smart for this board.
The Hack Tanks ?
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how did you think they had all that brainstorming done?SandRider wrote:after that post about synthetic chemicals, I was starting to think this oneZiggy wrote:What if the HLP had their own tank that they can feed FH's novels into and it shits out some random mutation once a year? Oh wait...
might be too damn smart for this board.
The Hack Tanks ?
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The Hack & Bumblehead obviously still believe so, because in Grunters & Sadworms, Sheena and Ghola Paul seem to be able to tell the difference between the spice produced by the worms in the no-ship hold (ignore for now the stupidity of worms producing spice) and that produced by the tanked BGs.Ziggy wrote:The term synthetic (in chemistry) was first coined by Kolbe in the mid-1800s. Many others at the time believed that natural complex organic molecules could not be made in such a fashion as they would lack some sort of supernatural component.
Maybe now we have a general fix for the time period of KJA's scientific knowledge?
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I'm reading Grunters for the first time and I thought, "Thats too superstitious for that to be the only reason this crappy fanfic version of Sheanna ingests the worm made spice rather than the tank spice."SandChigger wrote:The Hack & Bumblehead obviously still believe so, because in Grunters & Sadworms, Sheena and Ghola Paul seem to be able to tell the difference between the spice produced by the worms in the no-ship hold (ignore for now the stupidity of worms producing spice) and that produced by the tanked BGs.Ziggy wrote:The term synthetic (in chemistry) was first coined by Kolbe in the mid-1800s. Many others at the time believed that natural complex organic molecules could not be made in such a fashion as they would lack some sort of supernatural component.
Maybe now we have a general fix for the time period of KJA's scientific knowledge?
Hell, he could have atleast made a connection to how her ability to control the worms and have some sort of bond to them influenced that decision rather than "it's better than the other"
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Don't the worms need to start out as sandtrout with water in the environment to produce spice? It just seemed as if in Hunters "We threw them in their and BAM they immediately started making spice." I'm sick of KJA treating the science in Dune as magic.
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Ha, you haven't even begun the journey into shit yet, if you're angry NOW, wait until you get near the end of this piece of shit, or until you read sadworms...
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I must finish to know even more of how they've turned the Dune legacy into a cash cow. But it's going to be depressing I know. Then I will reread the original to purge my mind of the rampant lies.
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Yes, Spice is created when the sandtrout encased water pocket reaches a critical level of gas content and explodes in a "spiceblow". The surviving sandtrout go dormant and transform into juvenile worms.reverendmotherQ. wrote:Don't the worms need to start out as sandtrout with water in the environment to produce spice? It just seemed as if in Hunters "We threw them in their and BAM they immediately started making spice." I'm sick of KJA treating the science in Dune as magic.
Yet another aspect of Dune the hacks don't get.
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Encase your head in aluminium foil, get a voodoo chicken and rabbits foot. a 4 four leaf clover, . and check to make sure your health premiums are up to date. These are the checks to make before forging forward into the remainder of those two pieces of bile.reverendmotherQ. wrote:I must finish to know even more of how they've turned the Dune legacy into a cash cow. But it's going to be depressing I know. Then I will reread the original to purge my mind of the rampant lies.
as for sad worms... two things.. ghola's, ghola's.... and worms are like Baskin-Robins.
If you survive those and wish to really take a spin on the death wheel... there is Paul and and BagOWinds. I Highly suggest revisiting all of the above checks and included the following:
1. read near an open flame (tear each page out after you have read it and burn it)
2. have at least two fifths of whiskey handy
3. a computer with net access and Jacurutu forums open and ready
4. an open window to scream out
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I should warn you that sadworms was the only one I actually regretted having read. The rest were fun to make fun of, but that one actually lessened my love of Dune for almost a full year afterwards, it's just now returning in full.
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No imposter like KJA has the right to do that to any devoted fan. :shakes fist at the air, swearing vengeance:
j/k. But seriously. That's frightening. :gulps: I may have a little hesitation at picking that one up off the campus library.
j/k. But seriously. That's frightening. :gulps: I may have a little hesitation at picking that one up off the campus library.