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Last night while contemplating my $650 natural gas bill, I decided to buy and install an tankless, electric hot water heater.
PowerStar AE 125 Electric Tankless Water Heater
The PowerStar AE-125 electric tankless water heater is designed to replace an electric storage tank heater. Advantages include endless hot water, reduced electricity costs and substantial space savings. Provides 4.0 gal. per minute for water usage at 105° F (assumes 60° F inlet temp.) for 1 shower or bathtub or 2 sinks simultaneously. 240 volt. 95% efficiency rating. 10 year warranty on unit, 1 year on parts. REQUIRES Hard Wiring and 120AMPS
Requires 240V Hard Wiring and 120 Amps
This Model Requires 3 Separate 40 Amp 2-Pole Circuit Breakers and Six #8 Awg Wires + Ground (Min. 200 Amp Breaker Panel)
95% Efficiency Rating
External Temperature Control Knob
Flow Sensor to Provide a Constant Output Temperature
EcoOption : Eco Options
MFG Brand Name : PowerStar
MFG Model # : AE-125
MFG Part # : AE-125
ADA Compliant : No
Amperage : 120 A.
Assembled Depth (In Inches) : 4.5 In.
Assembled Height (In Inches) : 15.5 In.
Assembled Weight (In LBS) : 22
Assembled Width (In Inches) : 15.25 In.
BTU Heat Rating : 0 Btu/h
CSA Safety Listing : Yes
Commercial/Residential : Residential
Draft Hood Size : 0 In.
ETL Safety Listing : No
Energy Star Compliant : No
EnergyPlus : False
Flow Rate @ 45°F Rise : 4 GPM
Fuel Type : Electric
Gas Connection Size : N/A
Gas Or Electric : Electric
Gas Type : Other
Height : 15.5 In.
Maximum BTU : 0 Btu.
Tank Capacity : N/A Gal.
Temperature Range : up to 131°F
Voltage : 240 V.
Warranty (Labor) : 0.00
Warranty (Parts) : some
Water Connection Size : 3/4"
Watts : 26850 W.
Weight : 22 Lbs.
$649.00
PowerStar AE 125 Electric Tankless Water Heater
The PowerStar AE-125 electric tankless water heater is designed to replace an electric storage tank heater. Advantages include endless hot water, reduced electricity costs and substantial space savings. Provides 4.0 gal. per minute for water usage at 105° F (assumes 60° F inlet temp.) for 1 shower or bathtub or 2 sinks simultaneously. 240 volt. 95% efficiency rating. 10 year warranty on unit, 1 year on parts. REQUIRES Hard Wiring and 120AMPS
Requires 240V Hard Wiring and 120 Amps
This Model Requires 3 Separate 40 Amp 2-Pole Circuit Breakers and Six #8 Awg Wires + Ground (Min. 200 Amp Breaker Panel)
95% Efficiency Rating
External Temperature Control Knob
Flow Sensor to Provide a Constant Output Temperature
EcoOption : Eco Options
MFG Brand Name : PowerStar
MFG Model # : AE-125
MFG Part # : AE-125
ADA Compliant : No
Amperage : 120 A.
Assembled Depth (In Inches) : 4.5 In.
Assembled Height (In Inches) : 15.5 In.
Assembled Weight (In LBS) : 22
Assembled Width (In Inches) : 15.25 In.
BTU Heat Rating : 0 Btu/h
CSA Safety Listing : Yes
Commercial/Residential : Residential
Draft Hood Size : 0 In.
ETL Safety Listing : No
Energy Star Compliant : No
EnergyPlus : False
Flow Rate @ 45°F Rise : 4 GPM
Fuel Type : Electric
Gas Connection Size : N/A
Gas Or Electric : Electric
Gas Type : Other
Height : 15.5 In.
Maximum BTU : 0 Btu.
Tank Capacity : N/A Gal.
Temperature Range : up to 131°F
Voltage : 240 V.
Warranty (Labor) : 0.00
Warranty (Parts) : some
Water Connection Size : 3/4"
Watts : 26850 W.
Weight : 22 Lbs.
$649.00
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- Rakis
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Re: Energy
Hmmm...interesting, but how much can you save ?
- Spicelon
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Dude, what y'all got running on gas? I know Atlanta can have a little wintery weather, but dear lord if you're spending $600+ for hot water, I'd say it's a usage problem.
Seriously though, it looks like the new hot water system will be a money saver, but how long to recover the cost of the system? Too long, I bet. More data needed.
Seriously though, it looks like the new hot water system will be a money saver, but how long to recover the cost of the system? Too long, I bet. More data needed.
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- Freakzilla
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Think about this, it takes a lot longer to heat a whole tank of water with gas than it does to heat 4 gallons a minute with electricity. They claim 95% efficiency.
That bill was for more than one month, last month I think we used $200. 6 people bathing, a few loads of laundry and at least one load of dishes a day. Then hand washing (at least, for me) and cooking.
I may want to eventually do two heaters, one for the baths and one for the kitchen???
I thinking of ways to get rid of my gas furnace now too, maybe radiant floor heat for the main level, it's above the garage and basement so it would be easy to install. Maybe individual room heaters upstairs, it stays pretty warm up their anyway.
Then I'd be all electric and I could look into solar panels to save on electricity. Some states will pay for it, I don't know about mine yet...
That bill was for more than one month, last month I think we used $200. 6 people bathing, a few loads of laundry and at least one load of dishes a day. Then hand washing (at least, for me) and cooking.
I may want to eventually do two heaters, one for the baths and one for the kitchen???
I thinking of ways to get rid of my gas furnace now too, maybe radiant floor heat for the main level, it's above the garage and basement so it would be easy to install. Maybe individual room heaters upstairs, it stays pretty warm up their anyway.
Then I'd be all electric and I could look into solar panels to save on electricity. Some states will pay for it, I don't know about mine yet...
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My brother-n-law was trying to sell us on one of those tankless heaters, but I kept thinking if it was so great then why didn't he get it? (Both of us had our hot water heaters to burst on us within two weeks of eachother.)
We don't use natural gas at our house. We had the option for it when we first got this house but I was leary of gas. I just don't trust it. (Leaks and such)
But let us know if it does save you money and how it works with the shower and everything. That was one thing my husband was concerned about. How long would hot water last for showers. (We have 5 in our family.)
We don't use natural gas at our house. We had the option for it when we first got this house but I was leary of gas. I just don't trust it. (Leaks and such)
But let us know if it does save you money and how it works with the shower and everything. That was one thing my husband was concerned about. How long would hot water last for showers. (We have 5 in our family.)
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- Freakzilla
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The $650 unit I'm looking at claims do one shower OR one bath OR two sinks CONTINUOSLY at 105 degrees F at 4 gallons per minute.
One of the reviews I read said that in conjunction with low flow shower heads and a somewhat warm water service temperature to start with (I believe it will raise whatever temp you have 35 degrees, max 140?) which I'm sure we do in my region.
There is also an under-sink model to do one sink for $200.
I'm sure I will like to have one for the upstairs (kids/guest) bath and one for the master bath and one for the kitchen, eventually so we won't have to worry if we want to have two baths, dishes and cooking all going at once. The unit is smaller than 16" x 16" x 6" and mount on the wall. That maximun setup would even take up less space that the HWH.
Realistically I think that will happen rarely. But like I said, for one shower at 4 gpm, you never run out of hot water.
One of the reviews I read said that in conjunction with low flow shower heads and a somewhat warm water service temperature to start with (I believe it will raise whatever temp you have 35 degrees, max 140?) which I'm sure we do in my region.
There is also an under-sink model to do one sink for $200.
I'm sure I will like to have one for the upstairs (kids/guest) bath and one for the master bath and one for the kitchen, eventually so we won't have to worry if we want to have two baths, dishes and cooking all going at once. The unit is smaller than 16" x 16" x 6" and mount on the wall. That maximun setup would even take up less space that the HWH.
Realistically I think that will happen rarely. But like I said, for one shower at 4 gpm, you never run out of hot water.
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Huh. Over here in Alabama, the power company will sometimes provide those for free, assuming you install it yourself.
You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.
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No kidding! I'll call my electric company...Phaedrus wrote:Huh. Over here in Alabama, the power company will sometimes provide those for free, assuming you install it yourself.
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REPLACE GAS WATER HEATER WITH ELECTRIC Rebate of $425Freakzilla wrote:No kidding! I'll call my electric company...Phaedrus wrote:Huh. Over here in Alabama, the power company will sometimes provide those for free, assuming you install it yourself.
Requirements:
Minimum 50-gallon tank
Minimum .90 Energy Efficiency Rating (EF). If less than .90, then an installed water heater jacket is required.
Pipes insulated (6 ft.minimum for hot water line, 2ft. minimum for cold water line)
Original receipt for water heater tank
Request for allowance within 90 days of installation
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I do believe victory is yours.
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- A Thing of Eternity
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Victory indeed! I guess it always is worth looking into...
- Robspierre
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Freak, those are nice but if you have hard water then it isn't worth it. That's why you don't see them out here, it's impossible even with filters and softeners to keep them from getting clogged up with as hard as our water is, so the cost just isn't worth it.
Rob
Rob
- SandChigger
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I can't recall ever seeing a tank-style water heater over here; they're all little wall mounted natural gas units (in smaller apartments) or kerosene or electric units outside or in a special utility area (houses and larger "mansion" apartments).
I've thought about getting one for my house if and when I ever move back permanently.
I've thought about getting one for my house if and when I ever move back permanently.
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Im always suprised solar power is still fairly untapped, if we put half the money of the iraq war into RnD for solar, we would all pay nothing for energy
We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles." ~ Thomas Edison
I really hate Edison because of how he treated Telsa, but that is a really great phrase.
We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles." ~ Thomas Edison
I really hate Edison because of how he treated Telsa, but that is a really great phrase.
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having just come out of 12 hours in the West Texas sun -
98 degrees today, and this was a pleasant day,
watching grown linemen & apprentices bitch like jilted
cheerleaders at the prom, dealing with the bullshit
company's outdated & broken heavy equipment,
having a helicopter pilot from somewheres north
of the Red River tell me he couldn't fly the drag lines
in this "wind" (what wind ? 20-30 mph with an
occasional 50mph gust ... hell, that's a gentle breeze,
son. takes your mind off the "heat") and only pulling
a mile of transmission cables for all that, I say :
fuck electricity
98 degrees today, and this was a pleasant day,
watching grown linemen & apprentices bitch like jilted
cheerleaders at the prom, dealing with the bullshit
company's outdated & broken heavy equipment,
having a helicopter pilot from somewheres north
of the Red River tell me he couldn't fly the drag lines
in this "wind" (what wind ? 20-30 mph with an
occasional 50mph gust ... hell, that's a gentle breeze,
son. takes your mind off the "heat") and only pulling
a mile of transmission cables for all that, I say :
fuck electricity
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- SandChigger
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Edison was the consummate piece of shit as a human being, it seems.SwordMaster wrote:I really hate Edison because of how he treated Telsa
Anyway, the Japanese units that use natural gas or kerosene are great. The old one at the house I rent went out last August and had to be replaced (it was the original one, put in when the house was built about 15 years ago); it always delivered a constant temperature. The new one they put in kinda cycles (the water temporarily gets hotter than the base setting), but it came with a sexy new "21st century WOW" control panel in both the bath and the kitchen. (The same heater delivers the hot water to the laundry area and kitchen.) The old one just had a temperature dial in the bath.
I'm happy.
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Solar. for all its benefits, still requires a rather hefty up-front investment.SwordMaster wrote:Im always suprised solar power is still fairly untapped, if we put half the money of the iraq war into RnD for solar, we would all pay nothing for energy
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- Omphalos
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Im going to replace the main one in my house shortly. I still have a bit of life left in the tank heater. With just the four of us I think we can get by without a second one for the sink, and there are some great SMUD rebates here too.
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Fuck gas, get back to work!SandRider wrote:having just come out of 12 hours in the West Texas sun -
98 degrees today, and this was a pleasant day,
watching grown linemen & apprentices bitch like jilted
cheerleaders at the prom, dealing with the bullshit
company's outdated & broken heavy equipment,
having a helicopter pilot from somewheres north
of the Red River tell me he couldn't fly the drag lines
in this "wind" (what wind ? 20-30 mph with an
occasional 50mph gust ... hell, that's a gentle breeze,
son. takes your mind off the "heat") and only pulling
a mile of transmission cables for all that, I say :
fuck electricity
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
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- Freakzilla
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I read that there is some kind of rebate for solar panels but I haven't looked into the details.
My first goal is to eliminate the gas, but I might keep it for a fireplace starter, but that's not a practical necessity.
Once I go all electric I will focus on cutting that down. If the start up for solar is not too great or if the Feds will rebate most of it, I'll probably do that.
My first goal is to eliminate the gas, but I might keep it for a fireplace starter, but that's not a practical necessity.
Once I go all electric I will focus on cutting that down. If the start up for solar is not too great or if the Feds will rebate most of it, I'll probably do that.
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
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About the only good thing that I will admit to for Gas is that when the power goes down due to storms, it can be nice to be able to heat your home and do some cooking. But that's all I can think of right now.
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One day I'll buy a propane emergency generator.Eyes High wrote:About the only good thing that I will admit to for Gas is that when the power goes down due to storms, it can be nice to be able to heat your home and do some cooking. But that's all I can think of right now.
If it comes down to it I can always burn wood in the fireplace.
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you dirty little socialist.Freak wrote:If the start up for solar is not too great or if the Feds will rebate most of it ....
do you want a Union Electrician to come install it for you, too ?
and :
fuck Dilliard Smith Line Construction Company of Chatanooga, Tennesse
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- Freakzilla
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I don't think the federal government encouraging people to use less energy is socialist.SandRider wrote:you dirty little socialist.Freak wrote:If the start up for solar is not too great or if the Feds will rebate most of it ....
do you want a Union Electrician to come install it for you, too ?
I can handle installation myself, I don't even plan to get a permit.
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Any time the government "encourages" people to spend their money in any specific way it's socialism. That's what they call centrally planned economy (poorly planned usually, but planned none the less!).Freakzilla wrote:I don't think the federal government encouraging people to use less energy is socialist.SandRider wrote:you dirty little socialist.Freak wrote:If the start up for solar is not too great or if the Feds will rebate most of it ....
do you want a Union Electrician to come install it for you, too ?
I can handle installation myself, I don't even plan to get a permit.