A Thing of Eternity wrote:RedBugPest - OH sanctioned viewpoint? I disagree with plenty of what's been said and done by the overall OH group, if you want an example - I wish Simon was still around, he at least knew better than to try and defend the new book intellectually (because they cannot be defended that way) and was very honest about the fact that they are utterly sub-par. He just said that he enjoyed them and was happy to have more Dune, and wasn't offended by the errors the same way the rest of us were.
I made the same argument, though I did not call them sub par. I beleive that they are entertaining in their own right, but are not in the same class as the originals
A Thing of Eternity wrote:You need to grow up. Just because someone disagrees with you vehemently does NOT mean that they are following some preset agenda, or that they've just dug in their heels and refuse to hear anyone else's viewpoint. The reason it seems that way to you is because you're nowhere near the first person to make any of the arguments you've made - we've already had those over and over and over - so OF COURSE it seems like we're just unwilling to even consider your position, because we've already done that, years ago, and have won the same arguments many times.
Quit being a child and accept that just because someone disagrees with you strongly doesn't mean that they aren't being open minded about other possibilities - there's more going on than you've seen, we've already opened our minds and rationally and fairly decided to reject the point of view of which you are just one more supporter.
I think you should take your own advice. Those of us who like the new books have heard all the arguments from the OH, and have rationally and fairly decided to reject them. I'm not the one who referred to someone as being an "idiot" earlier in this thread. A childish gesture at best.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:EDIT: And Duke is right - Lundse and I have tried MANY times to have intelligent discussions about the new books, in very polite language, and every time we have been insulted and people have refused to defend the books in an intelligent way (sometimes I think that they THINK they are doing so, but really they're just repeating circular logic over and over).
I felt at time that you both were engaging in circular logic arguments with me as well, while I was making what I felt was a reasonable point based on my interpretation of the books. For you to characterize all the other arguments as "unintelligent" is insulting to those of us putting forth our viewpoints. Lundse went as far as stating that there was no way that I could understand or like the original books as much as an OH because I liked the new books. I do not care for being told I am stupid, no mater how "polite" the language used.
And Dukester, do not characterize this as some "boo hoo" thread, because it is not. I just couldn't let the idiot reference go unanswered.
Merkin, I don't think a real debate is possible because i do not think that either side is really interested in listening.