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SandChigger wrote:Fuck, this shit is TWO YEARS OLD. Why bring it up now?

An early Duncan Idaho, the consummate Atreidean supporter, rebelled against Leto's increasing authoritarianism and questioned Leto's abuse of that same loyalty. Idaho- 11099 initiated the last, sad Sardaukar campaign against the emperor, a move that resulted in Idaho's death, the final destruction of the Imperial Legions, and the founding of the Fish Speakers. Historians, perhaps some of those incinerated by Leto on the pyre of their own works, have remarked on the almost tragic irony involved in this abortive campaign. To be sure, the very notion of any Duncan Idaho leading the hated Sardaukar in an ill-fated, yea, grandiose, campaign battle against an Atreides is the stuff of which a latter- day Harq al-Harba could have made great tragedy. Yet we cannot simply dismiss that Idaho's action as a mere mental aberration and classify it in the same breath as the infamous Dr. Wellington Yueh's treason. Rather we should consider what colossal emotions were required to enable Idaho to overcome his ingrained, almost genetically inculcated, loyalty to any Atreides. And yet just as some revisionist historians have been able to explain even Yueh's triumph over his pyretic conscience by adducing the incalculable passion of his love for his beloved Wanna, so we should now examine Leto's treason — not Duncan- 13724's — to the Atreidean way, his treason to his grandfather Leto I, the Red Duke, to his father Paul Muad'Dib, and to himself.

Nekhrun wrote:From the DE:

An early Duncan Idaho, the consummate Atreidean supporter, rebelled against Leto's increasing authoritarianism and questioned Leto's abuse of that same loyalty. Idaho- 11099 initiated the last, sad Sardaukar campaign against the emperor, a move that resulted in Idaho's death, the final destruction of the Imperial Legions, and the founding of the Fish Speakers. Historians, perhaps some of those incinerated by Leto on the pyre of their own works, have remarked on the almost tragic irony involved in this abortive campaign. To be sure, the very notion of any Duncan Idaho leading the hated Sardaukar in an ill-fated, yea, grandiose, campaign battle against an Atreides is the stuff of which a latter- day Harq al-Harba could have made great tragedy. Yet we cannot simply dismiss that Idaho's action as a mere mental aberration and classify it in the same breath as the infamous Dr. Wellington Yueh's treason. Rather we should consider what colossal emotions were required to enable Idaho to overcome his ingrained, almost genetically inculcated, loyalty to any Atreides. And yet just as some revisionist historians have been able to explain even Yueh's triumph over his pyretic conscience by adducing the incalculable passion of his love for his beloved Wanna, so we should now examine Leto's treason — not Duncan- 13724's — to the Atreidean way, his treason to his grandfather Leto I, the Red Duke, to his father Paul Muad'Dib, and to himself.

Guess that answers that.

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Nekhrun wrote:

boardadmin wrote:
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You mentioned something that comes from the Dune Encyclopedia as being from God Emperor of Dune. It seems to me that perhaps you've read the DE and are maybe confusing the two books in this instance.

You're probably right. I've read it since that post.
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the Dune idiot wrote:God Emperor of Dune says that during Leto II's reign one of the Duncan Idaho gholas led the remnants of the Sardaukar in an unsuccessful revolt. After that, Leto II abolished them. Their replacements were the Fish Speakers.

brown nose 1976 wrote:yes i've just read that part! thank you. it still seems like a very ignominous end to such a proud corps. i take it i was correct about leto II using his fremen to annihilate them after all !? its a shame FH didn't elaborate more on their ending

the idiot of Dune wrote:Yeah, I know. But I guess Frank had to focus more on Leto II's path than on the Sardaukar.

lotek wrote:

the Dune idiot wrote:God Emperor of Dune says that during Leto II's reign one of the Duncan Idaho gholas led the remnants of the Sardaukar in an unsuccessful revolt. After that, Leto II abolished them. Their replacements were the Fish Speakers.

brown nose 1976 wrote:yes i've just read that part! thank you. it still seems like a very ignominous end to such a proud corps. i take it i was correct about leto II using his fremen to annihilate them after all !? its a shame FH didn't elaborate more on their ending

How the fuck could he read a part that doesn't exist?

Sandwurm88 wrote:ignamious

lotek wrote:clicky

Sandwurm88 wrote:ignamious

Google wrote:Did you mean: ignominious

Ignominious - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
1 : marked with or characterized by disgrace or shame : dishonorable 2 : deserving of shame or infamy : despicable 3 : humiliating, degrading

Sandwurm88 wrote:ignamious filth

Sandwurm88 wrote:Aye, good brethren in Orthodox Herbertarianism, 'tis no almost about it. 'Tis a tragedy of monumental proportions on the scale of the fall of Rome or a great Shakespearean performance, one which renders the audience speechless. The depths of human stupidity and vapid commercialism are a vast, boundless hole of ignamious filth and tepid, brain-dead fools. Thou which prefer the carbuncles of the prequels, which shine through the vast, rugged darkness of thine own stupidity, hast thou eyes to see, or ears to hear? Thou art bastions of simplicity, oceans of stupendous artlessness.

SandChigger wrote:(Shouldn't it be "ye who" instead of "thou which"? )

Freakzilla wrote:

lotek wrote:

the Dune idiot wrote:God Emperor of Dune says that during Leto II's reign one of the Duncan Idaho gholas led the remnants of the Sardaukar in an unsuccessful revolt. After that, Leto II abolished them. Their replacements were the Fish Speakers.

brown nose 1976 wrote:yes i've just read that part! thank you. it still seems like a very ignominous end to such a proud corps. i take it i was correct about leto II using his fremen to annihilate them after all !? its a shame FH didn't elaborate more on their ending

How the fuck could he read a part that doesn't exist?

I noticed that, too.

twistedmentat wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

lotek wrote:

the Dune idiot wrote:God Emperor of Dune says that during Leto II's reign one of the Duncan Idaho gholas led the remnants of the Sardaukar in an unsuccessful revolt. After that, Leto II abolished them. Their replacements were the Fish Speakers.

brown nose 1976 wrote:yes i've just read that part! thank you. it still seems like a very ignominous end to such a proud corps. i take it i was correct about leto II using his fremen to annihilate them after all !? its a shame FH didn't elaborate more on their ending

How the fuck could he read a part that doesn't exist?

I noticed that, too.

That can't be fuckin real. Tell me those are not real posts!!!

Serkanner wrote:

twistedmentat wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

lotek wrote:

the Dune idiot wrote:God Emperor of Dune says that during Leto II's reign one of the Duncan Idaho gholas led the remnants of the Sardaukar in an unsuccessful revolt. After that, Leto II abolished them. Their replacements were the Fish Speakers.

brown nose 1976 wrote:yes i've just read that part! thank you. it still seems like a very ignominous end to such a proud corps. i take it i was correct about leto II using his fremen to annihilate them after all !? its a shame FH didn't elaborate more on their ending

How the fuck could he read a part that doesn't exist?

I noticed that, too.

That can't be fuckin real. Tell me those are not real posts!!!

Sorry ... I have seen them too and wept.

liebkraft wrote:
well, according to the Jihad-novels the Swordmasters were founded before the end oft the war, but I concur, it can be argumented both ways if the Swordsmasters are a Great school or not.

But if one views the Great Schools only as kind of schools for the development of the human brain, then I'd only count the Mentats, the Guild and the BG

Allizkaerf wrote:

You'd think Mohiam would have mentioned there were three in that case, during her little lesson for Paul, since mentats were so prevalent

liebkraft wrote:

I'm not sure but I'll re-read it... in the end we'll have to wait for the decision of BH and KJA