Posted: 23 Nov 2008 21:45
You are just a hater, pilgrim...SandRider wrote:out of kindness, I suppose, I held off last night on this one.
John Wayne is epitome of what is tragically wrong with my country.
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You are just a hater, pilgrim...SandRider wrote:out of kindness, I suppose, I held off last night on this one.
John Wayne is epitome of what is tragically wrong with my country.
Try and catch me. The only thing worse than John Wayne is James Bond.Sole Man wrote:*Stares at in shock for a moment, mouth agape*Nekhrun wrote:You shouldn't talk while you're eating. Besides, John Wayne was dumb.Eyes High wrote:All good talk I hope.Sole Man wrote:... talk about John Wayne while we're eating, ...
But...you...hun...? Wha, wha, wha...
WHO IS THIS PERSON?! He's a blasphamey! He needs to be drawn and quartered! Immedaetely!
I really wouldn't go that far SandRider. I never felt he was representative of the U.S.A. as a whole, how could he?SandRider wrote:John Wayne is held up as the American Standard.
My bad, I suppose I assumed it was yesterday...SandChigger wrote:
Huh? Um...unless I'm mistaken, it hasn't happened yet for most people in the States.
Fourth Thursday in November, making it the day after tomorrow (already Tuesday here).
We did ours yesterday (er, Sunday, I mean. Was quite nice, thanks for asking, although I obviously have not died from a food overdose ) because Monday was a public holiday here in Japan (Kinrou Kansha no Hi, "Labor Thanksgiving Day") and most of us didn't have to work. (Yes, my second five-day-period-without-having-to-go-in-to-the-office this month! )
Pilgrims? Oh yeah, close-minded religious wingnuts.
I'll go alot farther than that. Since he's been dead for 30 years, John Wayne certainly doesn't hold the place in American culture that he once did - evolution in film-making has also devauled the impact of his films, audiences are more sophisticated and simplistic stories don't fly the way they used. But make no mistake, around the time of the 1971 Playboy interview, John Wayne was THE American Male. I won't beat this dead horse-hater anymore, but he's right up there in the top ten Worst Americans in History, somewhere after Lincoln but before Nixon. About on par with Joe McCarthy, maybe, or both the Bush Presidents. Not as evil as Lee Atwater, of course. Anyway, here's a little extremely biased background, the first dealing with the John Wayne myth itself, and the second some academic liberal gibberish about films & culture in general, but some interesting takes on Wayne buried deep in there, and a passing mention of his visit to the Harvard Lampoon.inhuien wrote:I really wouldn't go that far SandRider. I never felt he was representative of the U.S.A. as a whole, how could he?SandRider wrote:John Wayne is held up as the American Standard.
Say that again, but louder this time. Add repressive, oppressive, tyrannical. America's colonial roots are much more firmly placed in Jamestown and Virginia. I'll put the Pilgrims up there in that list of Worst Americans Ever. I celebrate Thanksgiving the same way I do Christmas, as the commercial, secular holiday it's become. Apparently all my children and their spawn are coming out here this year; they seem to think I'm going to die soon, and are jostling themselves into line to circle my corpse. They don't yet know I've already had the lawyers draw up papers leaving the entire estate to the mexicans & their spawn. I'm saving that gem for Christmas Morning.The SandChigger wrote:Pilgrims? Oh yeah, close-minded religious wingnuts.
Weird. Most people outside the US think the standard US male is Homer Simpson or that fat guy from Family Guy.SandRider wrote:he was not a nice person, personally.
he hated horses and was bisexual.
he hated the persona he had to take on; he intended to be a serious
dramatic actor, but got typecast as the Big Cowboy in the 1930's, and never escaped it.
he was mean to his children.
he was intellectually dishonest and artistically fraudulent.
worse than his personal failings, however, which were his to do with
as he pleased, he created a stereotype of the "American Man" that we
have not lived down to this day. John Wayne is held up as the American
Standard. as I said, he is the epitome of what is tragically wrong with
this country (America). not only is he a poor role model for moral, decent
human behavior, the image itself is a lie and a fraud. Just like America.
{edit} and for me personally, the worst offense was "The Green Berets", a shameless piece of government propaganda that furthered many of the myths of "why we were in Viet Nam" at the time. I hated him from then on, even after somewhat enjoying the Westerns and WWII movies....
{edit} oh yeah, and his real name is Marion Morrison, which I would make fun of if my grandaddy hadn't been named Marion, too. (and for the record, grandaddy loved John Wayne - of course, grandaddy was a Klansman, too ....)
That Talking Turd Arnoloco once sent me a PM on Dungnovels when I made fun of Aztecs, telling me American Indians were probably related to my family in the Philippines. What a peculiar creature he is.Tleszer wrote:Cowboys were stupid. Indians is where it's at!
that's probably closer to today's opinion - like I said, I sometimes forget who I'm talking at and what decade it is. I'll still get on a roll about Nixon, too. I'm sure most of today's youth have little to no opinion of John Wayne, besides "That old Cowboy Dude".CL wrote:Weird. Most people outside the US think the standard US male is Homer Simpson or that fat guy from Family Guy.
Wait a minute! I think Mountain Dew is the best beverage ever, does that help my cause at all?Sole Man wrote:Nkhrun: I hate you.
Sandrider: I'll ignore your hatred for John Wayne, and the factthat you think Mountain Dew isn't the greatest soda drink ever made, all because of your passing the Obama stickers at the Sons of the confederacy meeting.
Man, you are one sick puppy...
Yeah, the wonnerful people what gave the world the Salem witch trials!SandRider wrote:Say that again, but louder this time. Add repressive, oppressive, tyrannical. America's colonial roots are much more firmly placed in Jamestown and Virginia. I'll put the Pilgrims up there in that list of Worst Americans Ever.The SandChigger wrote:Pilgrims? Oh yeah, close-minded religious wingnuts.
That's good; that way you'll be able to enjoy the look on their faces when they find out. (I don't know what Texas law is like, but in Ohio the lawyers advise you to leave potentially troublesome relatives a little something—at least a dollar even—so that they don't have any real legal basis for contesting your will. That's why my mother left my sister $100 and her handmade doll collection. )Apparently all my children and their spawn are coming out here this year; they seem to think I'm going to die soon, and are jostling themselves into line to circle my corpse. They don't yet know I've already had the lawyers draw up papers leaving the entire estate to the mexicans & their spawn. I'm saving that gem for Christmas Morning.
A lot of states have that. If you give them something minute, then you can put a clause into the will that says that anyone who contests the will automatically forfeits a right to take anything. Sometimes I wonder if dear old dad has that lil surprise in store for me.SandChigger wrote:Apparently all my children and their spawn are coming out here this year; they seem to think I'm going to die soon, and are jostling themselves into line to circle my corpse. They don't yet know I've already had the lawyers draw up papers leaving the entire estate to the mexicans & their spawn. I'm saving that gem for Christmas Morning.
That's good; that way you'll be able to enjoy the look on their faces when they find out. (I don't know what Texas law is like, but in Ohio the lawyers advise you to leave potentially troublesome relatives a little something—at least a dollar even—so that they don't have any real legal basis for contesting your will. That's why my mother left my sister $100 and her handmade doll collection. )
Family...ain't it grand!