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SandChigger wrote:(Who? FantaPop? Well ... yes and no. He's technically brain-dead, but his overwhelming stupidity and Cuban jingoism live on. The two seem to have bought a condo in Bogota together and have settled down and are already starting a new family and everything. )

Poor Nebby. 9 views over on DN but nary an answer.

Huh? I really thought they'd have been interested in that over there.

Where the hell is Zimbabwe, anyway?

They speak Zulu there?

you'd know it as Rhodesia.

well, I know it as Rhodesia.

Southwest Africa, up and to the right of South Africa.

Now, I dare you to post that same question on Sarah Palin's website ....

Why? Is she from there?

Hey, what do you guys think about this...

http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa ... n_percent/

I too am loaded this weekend.

She found the new admission price of 100 million Zimbabwe dollars -- 30 U.S. cents -- out of reach.

Holy Jebus

Mugabe accuses the United States, the European Union and especially former colonial ruler Britain of using their economic influence to back his opponents and bring about his ouster. He has severed ties with the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and other financial organizations.

No need to wonder why the country is in the shitter.

You know, I sure hate to sound like a racist, colonial imperialist,
but more than politcal correctness, I believe in speaking about
the obvious truth of a situation.

Zimbabwe's current problems were not bought on by the EU, or any
of the former colonial powers.

Zimbabwe's problems, and by extension, many of the other African
nations, were bought by the departure of the colonial powers, and
the political and economic vacuum that was filled by incompetent warlords
and terrorists.

No matter how immoral and unjustifiable apartheid was, the descent
of South Africa from a rich, developing modern industrial nation into
the unfuckingbelievable mess it is today is hard to deal with.

And this will sound incredibly racist, too, and maybe it is.
But the real reason Americans as a whole don't a damn about
Africa is 'cause y'all kicked ol' whitey out. Well, fuck you, then.
Deal with it your damn selves.

See Nebby? That's how you get people to discuss a topic.

SandRider wrote:You know, I sure hate to sound like a racist, colonial imperialist,
but more than politcal correctness, I believe in speaking about
the obvious truth of a situation.

Zimbabwe's current problems were not bought on by the EU, or any
of the former colonial powers.

Zimbabwe's problems, and by extension, many of the other African
nations, were bought by the departure of the colonial powers, and
the political and economic vacuum that was filled by incompetent warlords
and terrorists.

No matter how immoral and unjustifiable apartheid was, the descent
of South Africa from a rich, developing modern industrial nation into
the unfuckingbelievable mess it is today is hard to deal with.

And this will sound incredibly racist, too, and maybe it is.
But the real reason Americans as a whole don't a damn about
Africa is 'cause y'all kicked ol' whitey out. Well, fuck you, then.
Deal with it your damn selves.

Africa's the paradise for weapons dealers. It's always suffering from power struggles, corruption, etc. If any country wants to make a shit load of money, selling weapons in Africa usually does the job done.

Note for Dummies: I'm not saying its America or Europe's fault.

I don't think I'm the Dummy, am I ?
(maybe that's one of the clues, tho ....)

You had Mugabe's statement blaming everyone else in a quote box,
and commented "no need to wonder ..." in response to the kicking
out of the IMF &etc, I supposed.


I don't know about blaming America, the government as a whole.
American corporations maybe, and blame can always be laid
at the feet of the CIA, for just about everything.

But for the whole mess that is central and southern Africa, I certainly
blame the European powers - for giving in and pulling out in the first place.

(Not that is wasn't the moral thing to do, mind you. But the end
results in endless bush wars, starvation, a dead stop to progress, speaks
for themselves)

SandRider wrote:I don't think I'm the Dummy, am I ?
(maybe that's one of the clues, tho ....)

You had Mugabe's statement blaming everyone else in a quote box,
and commented "no need to wonder ..." in response to the kicking
out of the IMF &etc, I supposed.


I don't know about blaming America, the government as a whole.
American corporations maybe, and blame can always be laid
at the feet of the CIA, for just about everything.

But for the whole mess that is central and southern Africa, I certainly
blame the European powers - for giving in and pulling out in the first place.

(Not that is wasn't the moral thing to do, mind you. But the end
results in endless bush wars, starvation, a dead stop to progress, speaks
for themselves)

You're not a dummy, i wrotte that in case someone missunderstood my statement.

When i said "No need to wonder why the country is in the shiter" i was refering to Mugabe's idiocy of blaming the problems on other countries. Problems that he caused due to his imcompetence to manage a country, his corruption and lust for power.

I dont see how Europe is responsible for corrupt leaders in Africa.

I agree totally with you guys on the blame thing. Mugabe is an old fool pointing at imaginary enemies. He blames the world bank and the United Kingdom for his countries economic problems. And instead of showing or at the very least pretend to show how he is fighting the countries problems he just blames, blames and blames their problems on other countries and talks about how they will lose their independence if they give in to the colonialist demands. His people are dying, but instead of helping he just asserts his view of what is freedom.

I guess nobody can answer the question of when something will happen that will bring down Mugabe if the current trends continue.

But a more easy question is how much longer do you give the Zimbabwe dollar until it is completely dead? I mean extinct. How much longer until the Zimbabwean dollar ceases to exist. The inflation just keeps doubling. Even if they keep slashing the zeros off, they just come back faster and faster. I'd give it a year but I could be wrong.

Do coins still exist in Zimbabwe?

Colonialism lead to problems in Africa and those mistakes can never be forgotten. But when does personal responsibility take over? The colonial powers have been gone from Africa for a long time and billions in humanitarian aid have been funneled into the African nations. Yet nearly 30 years after decolonization of almost the entire continent, what has changed?

At this point, what does it help to lay blame for colonialism in Africa? No one is asking to forget the past or absolve Europe and America for their role in the disasters that happened in Africa. But there has to be some point at which the blame becomes irrelevant and the problems of the here and now demand Africa be responsible for Africa. Wasn't that the whole point of fighting for independence from the colonial powers in the first place? To attain the right of self determination for the African people? The colonial powers can't come back to Africa to fix things (they probably couldn't anyway) and foreign aid doesn't seem to be solving the problem either. It might be time for the African nations to solve their problems themselves and for the world's democracies to stop policing the world. Sometimes, people have to find their own way, right or wrong.

GamePlayer wrote:Colonialism lead to problems in Africa and those mistakes can never be forgotten. But when does personal responsibility take over? The colonial powers have been gone from Africa for a long time and billions in humanitarian aid have been funneled into the African nations. Yet nearly 30 years after decolonization of almost the entire continent, what has changed?

At this point, what does it help to lay blame for colonialism in Africa? No one is asking to forget the past or absolve Europe and America for their role in the disasters that happened in Africa. But there has to be some point at which the blame becomes irrelevant and the problems of the here and now demand Africa be responsible for Africa. Wasn't that the whole point of fighting for independence from the colonial powers in the first place? To attain the right of self determination for the African people? The colonial powers can't come back to Africa to fix things (they probably couldn't anyway) and foreign aid doesn't seem to be solving the problem either. It might be time for the African nations to solve their problems themselves and for the world's democracies to stop policing the world. Sometimes, people have to find their own way, right or wrong.

I agree with you here, except for that "leave them to their own" sentiment at the end - which of course should be no surprise!

I agree with all of it.
I wasn't so much "laying blame" as pointing to the cause.
Colonial Powers pulled out, leaving a vacuum.
Douchebags moved in.

But yeah, Darwinism - get with the program or die on the vine ....

Bah, Darwinism is over for humans now. Now we just evolve towards blobs and survive as a people until the machine stops.

Another thread fermenting nicely. When will it be done?

depends on what kinda tangents it gets spun on ...

I'd say another week, atleast....

SandRider wrote:I agree with all of it.
I wasn't so much "laying blame" as pointing to the cause.
Colonial Powers pulled out, leaving a vacuum.
Douchebags moved in.

But yeah, Darwinism - get with the program or die on the vine ....

I didn't think you were, I was just kinda questioning the whole problem of blame and why Mugabe is just playing politics by doing so. I think I agree with most of what you said, just in a less angry way
That, and I have an agenda against foreign aid.

And unions...

And big government...

Down with the man!