Freakzilla wrote:Taxing and spending to get out of debt is insane. He's already spent more than all US presidents combined.
Actually, it's purely sensible economics. Government spending results in lots of money circulating in the economy, which is what you want when you're in a recession.
He's a socialist/marxist.
No, he's not. I'm a socialist/marxist, Obama is a capitalist who doesn't hate poor people. There IS a difference. There are no Marxist millionaires.
His career began in the living room of a man who is a known terrorist. I don't trust him.
He sat in the pews of a pastor who preaches anti-american sentiment. I trust him even less.
Worthless propaganda bullshit, everyone rubs shoulders with some questionable characters.
The only campaign promise he's kept so far is "spreading the wealth".
How often do you ever hear him talk about liberty or freedom?
Y'all elected him on rhetoric. "Yes we can!" "Change!" Not to mention the outright bullshit like tax cuts for 95% of americans when half of americans don't even pay taxes.
I pay taxes every time I buy anything. It's called the sales tax, and in Alabama, it pays for over 50% of our state's spending. Plus, I smoke and drink, and the federal and state taxes on cigarettes and alcohol are ridiculous. My bad habits pay for my state's roads. Saying I don't pay taxes just because I don't make enough money to pay income tax or property tax is horribly misleading.
There's more but I'm not in the mood right now, I've had a nice Sunday with my family. I don't want to think about the future he's making for my children.
Bah. Your children will won't be paying for this, MY generation will be. And most of us are OK with that. What we're not OK with is the bullshit we've been putting up with for years, like corporate welfare while people are starving in the streets unable to get jobs. If my generation fucks up, your children will have to deal with that, but I can assure you that each generation will have its own problems inherited from the previous one, and will pass on new problems to the next. If Obama's policies get some socioeconomic equality going, I'd be glad to help fix the debt problem when that comes around.
Of course, I say we should just nationalize everything and give the rich bastards who got us into this mess a tour of the projects, maybe let them live there while we try to find a way to fix this goddamned mess. I'll never understand why the engineers who design a car, and the workers who build it, get less of the proceeds than the guy telling them to design and build the cars. Organization and management aren't so difficult that you deserve billions of dollars, and if you think it is, take a business class, then take an engineering class, and get back to me. CEOs don't deserve shit for pay, and when you can justify their ridiculous greed and the divide between the rich and the poor in terms of anything that makes sense, I'll give capitalism another chance. Until then, I'm unconcerned with free market bullshit and senseless exploitation.
Edit: Also, in regards to the original topic: yeah, I'd say anyone who's advocating violent overthrow of the legitimately elected president is probably a terrorist of sorts. I dislike the word, I dislike the war on terror, and I dislike the idea that people should be classified by the way they think about politics. But in context, what they're saying makes sense. I still think this is ridiculous. Bush didn't even get legitimately elected(the first time), and us evil liberals never considered violent overthrow of his rule. Not even when he and his evil comrades-in-arms violated the constitution like it was a 14-year old girl. Not even when he fucked everything up. Some of us called for impeachment or trials, but we never got to the point of marching on Washington to throw bullets at the White House. We didn't even talk about it. But a couple bills and a little money thrown at a huge problem, and you people are talking about revolution?
Wait for the next goddamned election, like we did. If you're right, people will be flocking to your cause, and you'll get a president who will cut the taxes for your rich bourgeois heroes again.