Who do you want to be President?

[Freakzilla]

According to the Fair Tax website McCain is against Fair Tax. (I haven't read much on this, just thought I'd point this out).

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer? ... sScorecard

As far as Socialists... The US isn't pure Capitalism anyways, both candidates are "Socialists" by any loose definition that would include Obama.

I said I thought McCain would be more willing to consider the Fair Tax, I've heard him say so on the radio.

I don't agree with either candidate completely but I feel McCain is by far the lesser of the two evils.

Obama is the fucking antichrist.

[A Thing of Eternity]

According to the Fair Tax website McCain is against Fair Tax. (I haven't read much on this, just thought I'd point this out).

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer? ... sScorecard

As far as Socialists... The US isn't pure Capitalism anyways, both candidates are "Socialists" by any loose definition that would include Obama.

I said I thought McCain would be more willing to consider the Fair Tax, I've heard him say so on the radio.

Fair enough, I figured you had a reason for that, I just found that link and thought it'd be relevant.

I don't agree with either candidate completely but I feel McCain is by far the lesser of the two evils.

Obama is the fucking antichrist.

I see you guys have the same voting system as us (underlined).
Vote for whoever you hate less...

If Obama is the Antichrist then its settled, he's the man to run the USA.

[Freakzilla]

Vote for whoever you hate less...

Well, they're politicians and evil by default. I think what we really need is someone who will run this country like a business and not a welfare state or cater to special interests.

I think the country is dangerously divided right now and I predict there will be riots in the major cities no matter who wins. I wouldn't be suprized if there was another civil war on the horizon.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Vote for whoever you hate less...

Well, they're politicians and evil by default. I think what we really need is someone who will run this country like a business and not a welfare state or cater to special interests.

I agree with you more than you could ever know about the "run it like a business" and I could go on all day about the wasted dollars in government. That said, I think welfare state is a useless term, because it doesn't mean anything. Does it mean every single person is on welfare? Or that even one disabled person who gets a benifit? Where is the line? I could use that term to describe the US right now, or I could use it to describe China, the term is just to broad to have any value.

You can't carry everyone in a society but if you don't at least help them up when they fall down there will be grave problems for the majority and minority alike. This is part of why pure Capitalism is a pipe dream that can never work, and the same with pure Socialism, humans simply don't have the virtues to function properly in either system and need to be somewhere in the middle. Where? That's a tricky question.

I think the country is dangerously divided right now and I predict there will be riots in the major cities no matter who wins. I wouldn't be suprized if there was another civil war on the horizon.

I doubt very much that there will be any riots, and certainly not any Civil war. Maybe a couple of stunts by Skin-heads if Obama wins, but that's about all I predict. Most people get really riled up leading up to an election and then cool off rapidly and go back to ignoring the government in their day to day lives.

The country was dangerously divided last time too, and a large group of people believe that Bush's people literally rigged the re-count and that he actually lost the election. If there were'nt riots after that I don't know what would cause them.

If there's a civil war I'll owe you a beer when its over. I'll drive down through the lower states of the Euro Canadian Confederacy into the newly founded Republic of America and buy a sixer of nice 0.5% "beer".

(man, even I'm starting to think I'm laying the left wing on a little thick with that joke...)

[Freakzilla]

Vote for whoever you hate less...

Well, they're politicians and evil by default. I think what we really need is someone who will run this country like a business and not a welfare state or cater to special interests.

I agree with you more than you could ever know about the "run it like a business" and I could go on all day about the wasted dollars in government. That said, I think welfare state is a useless term, because it doesn't mean anything. Does it mean every single person is on welfare? Or that even one disabled person who gets a benifit? Where is the line? I could use that term to describe the US right now, or I could use it to describe China, the term is just to broad to have any value.

You can't carry everyone in a society but if you don't at least help them up when they fall down there will be grave problems for the majority and minority alike. This is part of why pure Capitalism is a pipe dream that can never work, and the same with pure Socialism, humans simply don't have the virtues to function properly in either system and need to be somewhere in the middle. Where? That's a tricky question.

I don't have a problem with giving assistance to people who need it. I've used it. But I also had a job and payed taxes. People should not be allowed to live off of it and squeeze out babies just so they can get a bigger welfare check.

I think the country is dangerously divided right now and I predict there will be riots in the major cities no matter who wins. I wouldn't be suprized if there was another civil war on the horizon.

I doubt very much that there will be any riots, and certainly not any Civil war. Maybe a couple of stunts by Skin-heads if Obama wins, but that's about all I predict. Most people get really riled up leading up to an election and then cool off rapidly and go back to ignoring the government in their day to day lives.

The country was dangerously divided last time too, and a large group of people believe that Bush's people literally rigged the re-count and that he actually lost the election. If there were'nt riots after that I don't know what would cause them.

If there's a civil war I'll owe you a beer when its over. I'll drive down through the lower states of the Euro Canadian Confederacy into the newly founded Republic of America and buy a sixer of nice 0.5% "beer".

(man, even I'm starting to think I'm laying the left wing on a little thick with that joke...)

Dude, people here in some cities riot when their sports team wins a championship.

I'm not saying the country is divided just over this election, it's been that way for a long time and it's steadily getting worse. The riots will be much worse if Obama loses but there will be riots regardless.

[Crysknife]

Vote for whoever you hate less...

Well, they're politicians and evil by default. I think what we really need is someone who will run this country like a business and not a welfare state or cater to special interests.

I agree with you more than you could ever know about the "run it like a business" and I could go on all day about the wasted dollars in government. That said, I think welfare state is a useless term, because it doesn't mean anything. Does it mean every single person is on welfare? Or that even one disabled person who gets a benifit? Where is the line? I could use that term to describe the US right now, or I could use it to describe China, the term is just to broad to have any value.

You can't carry everyone in a society but if you don't at least help them up when they fall down there will be grave problems for the majority and minority alike. This is part of why pure Capitalism is a pipe dream that can never work, and the same with pure Socialism, humans simply don't have the virtues to function properly in either system and need to be somewhere in the middle. Where? That's a tricky question.

I don't have a problem with giving assistance to people who need it. I've used it. But I also had a job and payed taxes. People should not be allowed to live off of it and squeeze out babies just so they can get a bigger welfare check.

I think the country is dangerously divided right now and I predict there will be riots in the major cities no matter who wins. I wouldn't be suprized if there was another civil war on the horizon.

I doubt very much that there will be any riots, and certainly not any Civil war. Maybe a couple of stunts by Skin-heads if Obama wins, but that's about all I predict. Most people get really riled up leading up to an election and then cool off rapidly and go back to ignoring the government in their day to day lives.

The country was dangerously divided last time too, and a large group of people believe that Bush's people literally rigged the re-count and that he actually lost the election. If there were'nt riots after that I don't know what would cause them.

If there's a civil war I'll owe you a beer when its over. I'll drive down through the lower states of the Euro Canadian Confederacy into the newly founded Republic of America and buy a sixer of nice 0.5% "beer".

(man, even I'm starting to think I'm laying the left wing on a little thick with that joke...)

Dude, people here in some cities riot when their sports team wins a championship.

I'm not saying the country is divided just over this election, it's been that way for a long time and it's steadily getting worse. The riots will be much worse if Obama loses but there will be riots regardless.

I must agree with Freak on this. I think it could get ugly either way.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Vote for whoever you hate less...

Well, they're politicians and evil by default. I think what we really need is someone who will run this country like a business and not a welfare state or cater to special interests.

I agree with you more than you could ever know about the "run it like a business" and I could go on all day about the wasted dollars in government. That said, I think welfare state is a useless term, because it doesn't mean anything. Does it mean every single person is on welfare? Or that even one disabled person who gets a benifit? Where is the line? I could use that term to describe the US right now, or I could use it to describe China, the term is just to broad to have any value.

You can't carry everyone in a society but if you don't at least help them up when they fall down there will be grave problems for the majority and minority alike. This is part of why pure Capitalism is a pipe dream that can never work, and the same with pure Socialism, humans simply don't have the virtues to function properly in either system and need to be somewhere in the middle. Where? That's a tricky question.

I don't have a problem with giving assistance to people who need it. I've used it. But I also had a job and payed taxes. People should not be allowed to live off of it and squeeze out babies just so they can get a bigger welfare check.

I agree with you completely, I think most people would.

I think the country is dangerously divided right now and I predict there will be riots in the major cities no matter who wins. I wouldn't be suprized if there was another civil war on the horizon.

I doubt very much that there will be any riots, and certainly not any Civil war. Maybe a couple of stunts by Skin-heads if Obama wins, but that's about all I predict. Most people get really riled up leading up to an election and then cool off rapidly and go back to ignoring the government in their day to day lives.

The country was dangerously divided last time too, and a large group of people believe that Bush's people literally rigged the re-count and that he actually lost the election. If there were'nt riots after that I don't know what would cause them.

If there's a civil war I'll owe you a beer when its over. I'll drive down through the lower states of the Euro Canadian Confederacy into the newly founded Republic of America and buy a sixer of nice 0.5% "beer".

(man, even I'm starting to think I'm laying the left wing on a little thick with that joke...)

Dude, people here in some cities riot when their sports team wins a championship.

I'm not saying the country is divided just over this election, it's been that way for a long time and it's steadily getting worse. The riots will be much worse if Obama loses but there will be riots regardless.

Sadly, I think people probably get more worked up over their sports teams than politics.

Oh well, you might be right. I guess we'll know soon eh? Can't wait for this to be over one way or another so I can go back to paying attention to the country I live in!

[Freakzilla]

Is it true they're considering legalizing marijuana in Canada?

I might be moving up there.

[Freakzilla]

...and the french are insane

My grandmother's maiden name was Tozier and yes, there is a history of mental illness in my family.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Is it true they're considering legalizing marijuana in Canada?

I might be moving up there.

They talk about it, but we have Conservatives in power now so probably not any time soon. Nobody in the Conservatives will want to offend the US gov's "war on drugs" so they'll pretend to consider the idea forever while always making sure it doesn't happen. God forbit we make progress. They're also working hard to shut down a safe injection site near where I live.

And yes, the French are nuts. Nuts in a good way, but nuts nonetheless. (I kid, I kid)

[Mandy]

We are stocking up on ammo, so we'll be prepared for riots.

[GamePlayer]

Cannabis is all but legal in the province of British Columbia. And no one is ever arrested here for smoking a joint in public. The grow-ops are the only real targeted trafficking. I don't use the stuff, but I say legalize it already.

Just one thing I find weird about married-jo-anna, everyone is on the anti-smoking bandwagon, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that is more smoking is it not? Oh sure, I've had the odd cookie or brownie, but let's face it, you light up when using it 99% of the time. Just seems kinda strange.

Reminds me of a line from Trainspotting...

"and one bottle of Valium, which I have already procured, from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict"

[Rakis]

when the Montreal Canadians won the first round of the playoffs last year there was rioting all over the city. police cars were bombed, store windows smashed and looted, people were hurt (dont think anyone died)

yeah canada loves their hockey
and the french are insane

Yes, we are !!!

[Freakzilla]

Just think of the taxes that could be generated!

[A Thing of Eternity]

Just think of the taxes that could be generated!

true... a fully legalized and regulated industry would be pretty damn profitable..

18 Billion dollars of tax a year federally was the projection I heard last based on estimated production costs versus sell prices compared to estimated current amounts of pot sold in Canada.

I don't smoke it either, but I am for decriminalizing it. Full legalization of any intoxicant is a silly idea IMO, wouldn't accomplish anything that decriminalization wouldn't.

As far as BC pretty much having it legalized now, yeah, that's pretty much true. Same with Alberta though (in terms of enforcement anyways). Grow ops the come down on hard though. Both provinces you can safely walk down the sidewalk smoking a joint and only get in shit if you mouth off to the cop, otherwise they’ll just take it away from you.

[Freakzilla]

hey look at that AtoE, we agree on a policy point!

ALERT THE MEDIA!

[A Thing of Eternity]

Just think of the taxes that could be generated!

true... a fully legalized and regulated industry would be pretty damn profitable..

18 Billion dollars of tax a year federally was the projection I heard last based on estimated production costs versus sell prices compared to estimated current amounts of pot sold in Canada.

I don't smoke it either, but I am for decriminalizing it. Full legalization of any intoxicant is a silly idea IMO, wouldn't accomplish anything that decriminalization wouldn't.

As far as BC pretty much having it legalized now, yeah, that's pretty much true. Same with Alberta though (in terms of enforcement anyways). Grow ops the come down on hard though. Both provinces you can safely walk down the sidewalk smoking a joint and only get in shit if you mouth off to the cop, otherwise they’ll just take it away from you.

and they call Alberta right-wing *scoffs*

Alberta is pretty right-wing none the less, the laws against pot are there, it's just that the individual cops are liberal enough/busy doing more important things to ignore recreational pot use. AB still had Ralph Klein promising to go fight the feds to the bitter end in order to prevent gay marriage in AB - I was getting angry enough with him to pull a Freakzilla style move (get guns to protect from crazy government) and assassinate his ass but he decided to let it go. Smart move Ralph, smart move.

hey look at that AtoE, we agree on a policy point!

I know, it's weird. I have a feeling you're about as liberal as Conservatives get and I'm about as conservative (fiscally anyways) as Liberals get so it was bound to happen eventually. We might even agree on something else some day....

[GamePlayer]

*Admits he once voted for Ralph Klein*

Say what you will about him, he got Alberta out of debt. There are more than a few provinces that could learn from his example. Yes, he's a raging redneck drunk, but also knows how to shape up government. My home province had been in debt longer than I've been alive. We needed someone to reign in the madness. He did the job I voted him into office for; I can rarely say the same for all the other politicians I've voted in, conservative or liberal.

Sometimes, things have to get worse before they get better.

[Freakzilla]

Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... 2&soc=0.62

[Freakzilla]

Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... 2&soc=0.62

damn it's almost like you tried to rig it to be dead centre
those results hardly reflect some sentiments you've expressed on here

I think trying to pigeonhole people or your own ideals into one political alignment is crazy. Each side has it's good points and bad and I don't stick to any party line.

[A Thing of Eternity]

Playa - I agree, Ralph did a really good job fiscally, and even though I often disagreed with him I did appreciate his honesty.

[A Thing of Eternity]

I got:

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegr ... &soc=-7.08

I don't know how to make that into a visible picture.

I got pretty much what I expected (though I thought I was a bit more of a dictator lover than this ), I think I'm actually closer to center economically than this shows, many of the questions were BS and I had to answer "dissagree" on principal because the question was unanswerable in such a simple way.

Like this one:

"The freer the market the freer the people"

Free from what? Free from poverty? Free from discrimination? Free from being told what job to have? Free from getting shot? Free to shoot whoever I want? Free from... I could go on. All this question really determins is how simplistic a person's veiws are.

Just because I marked "dissagree" doesn't mean I'm against the free market, just that I'm against stupid simplistic statements! As such I think I'd put myself a fair bit closer to center economically (likely into the right half), though this chart might be fairly accurate as to my Libertarian/Authoritarian stance. Pretty entertaining site though, It'd be cool to see it with a much more in depth and better thought-out series of questions.

I think it's kinda funny the Amercian leader is so anti-libertarian. Isn't one of the country's core motto's "and liberty for all"?

[Freakzilla]

I found a lot of the questions difficult to answer that simply too.

As to the American leader being anti-libertarian, keep in mind, no matter the country, it's still politics.

The politician's main goal, always, it to hold onto and gain power.

[A Thing of Eternity]

I found a lot of the questions difficult to answer that simply too.

As to the American leader being anti-libertarian, keep in mind, no matter the country, it's still politics.

The politician's main goal, always, it to hold onto and gain power.

True, and I know, but it's still funny.

Want to hear something really funny that I just remembered? (maybe not so funny to the more nationalist Canucks here, or nationalist people in general) I realised last week that I did not know the national anthem if I wasn't singing along with it. If I was in a group I could do it, but I could not solo it. I forgot literally half the lines.

Then, when my girl sat me down and re-tought me all the lines I realized I don't like or agree with it anyways, and won't be singing again (or I'll at least skip certain passages). I don't usually care about this kind of thing but I think I can forgo praying to a god I don't believe in and remain a good citizen.

[Freakzilla]

You don't have to like your national anthem.

Ours in notoriously difficult to sing.

I like that it has rockets and bombs in it though.

It usually makes me think of the speech at the begining of the movie Patton:

Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

The speech was created by the screenwriters from excerpts from General Pattons actual speeches.