Yes. Yes they can.SandChigger wrote:
Shit. Can they be that stupid?
I never did put this one to Byron, I wonder what he would have said about it.
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Well, that's what it looks like, but we can't be sure that the causality in the movie is the same. Basically, I assumed all his organs were collapsing, his lungs were having trouble expanding, and the lack of ambient spice gas was making him go wonky, not to mention the sudden reintroduction to gravity basically rendered him unable to move. Death, death, and death.Sole Man wrote:That's how the Navigator died in the CHILDREN OF DUNE miniseries.
I just found that. (Hadn't read it before.)Freakzilla wrote:What's even more retarded about is they published and unpublished chapter in RtD where Alia shoots a hole in Edric's tank and that doesn't happen.
So, yeah, they obviously forgot about this scene completely.Alia turned, studied the guildsman swimming in his tank. The orange gas had thinned and he appeared pale hanging there in his suspensors. (375)
Another strike-out."Very well," Alia said. She turned to the guard captain. "The ambassador is to be held in custody under constant visual guard until his trial," she said. "I wish daily reports on his activities. Meanwhile, you will drain the gas from his tank and have it subjected to analysis. Replace the gas with the pure air of Arrakis."
"You cannot!" the guildsman protested. "You mustn't."
"Why not?" Alia asked. "Will it kill you?"
"You know it won't," he hissed, bringing his face close to the transparent wall of his tank.
"It will blind his oracular vision," Duncan said. (375-6)
Yes. KJA and BH are whores, not sluts.Freakzilla wrote:INCONCEIVABLE!
Sloe man, I've told you befor, sluts do it for free. These men do it for money.
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It doesn't bother me that this is just an unpublished chapter FH wrote that they contradict, but that was their excuse for fucking up the scene where Duke Leto meets Jessica, wasn't it?
Not only that, they published the scene for us to find the contradiction!
It just shows how little they think of their fans in contrast to FH.
That's how I wrote the novel, wanting you to participate with the best of your own imagination. I did not aim for the lowest common denominator and 'write down" to anyone. You and I have a compact and my responsibility is to entertain you as richly as possible, always giving you as much extra as I can. I assume you are intelligent and will enlist your own imagination.
Their line of "thinking" seems to have been "if it was written by FH (and we decide to use it), it's canon".Freakzilla wrote:It doesn't bother me that this is just an unpublished chapter FH wrote that they contradict, but that was their excuse for fucking up the scene where Duke Leto meets Jessica, wasn't it?
So it's entirely possible that they used text written by FH in their other novels besides House Harkonnen, also without crediting FH.On p. 25 of RtD, two hacks wrote:We photocopied boxes of this material and then sorted, labeled, and organized everything. The biggest challenge was to make sense of it all. As part of the preparation work before writing our first Dune prequel, we had compiled a detailed concordance and electronically scanned all the text from the original six novels so that we could better search the source material. Now, with highlighter pens, we marked important information in the stacks of notes, illuminating unused blocks of text and descriptions that we might want to incorporate into our novels, character backgrounds, and story ideas.
Melgenge can turn a person into a merkin-person.HarryCanyon wrote:it can turn a person into a mer-person you know
lotek wrote:(before you try to put in the death of the failed KHs as an excuse to your theory, they don't use mélange they use the Water of Life, a very different drug, and it's not the overdose that kills)
The failed candidate Kwisatz Haderach's would not have used WoL, IMO they'd have been given whatever the BG RM candidates were administered prior to Jessica and Paul's use of the WoL.In DUNE Frank wrote:"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men
have tried the drug . . . so many, but none has succeeded."
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."
Rossak Poison or Spice Liquor.inhuien wrote:lotek wrote:(before you try to put in the death of the failed KHs as an excuse to your theory, they don't use mélange they use the Water of Life, a very different drug, and it's not the overdose that kills)The failed candidate Kwisatz Haderach's would not have used WoL, IMO they'd have been given whatever the BG RM candidates were administered prior to Jessica and Paul's use of the WoL.In DUNE Frank wrote:"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men
have tried the drug . . . so many, but none has succeeded."
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."
good point, I was a bit too quick there and in my mind I just used WoL as a generic term for all drugs used...inhuien wrote:lotek wrote:(before you try to put in the death of the failed KHs as an excuse to your theory, they don't use mélange they use the Water of Life, a very different drug, and it's not the overdose that kills)The failed candidate Kwisatz Haderach's would not have used WoL, IMO they'd have been given whatever the BG RM candidates were administered prior to Jessica and Paul's use of the WoL.In DUNE Frank wrote:"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men
have tried the drug . . . so many, but none has succeeded."
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."