Tlilaxian adoration of the God Emperor
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Tlilaxian adoration of the God Emperor
I noticed that in Heretics of Dune, the Tleilaxu are worshipers of "The divided God". At what point did tleilaxians begin to accept the God Emperor as Gods messenger as a part of their religion? I thought the Tleilaxu and the Atreides mutually abhored each other.
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Between GEoD and HoD.Unfront wrote:I noticed that in Heretics of Dune, the Tleilaxu are worshipers of "The divided God". At what point did tleilaxians begin to accept the God Emperor as Gods messenger as a part of their religion? I thought the Tleilaxu and the Atreides mutually abhored each other.
Everyone had to adapt in the presence of the God Emperor in order to survive, I guess it stuck.
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They had waited millennia for this time, his people. Waff savored the momentSwordMaster wrote:FZ will hit us with a quote Im sure.
now. All through the bad times of the Prophet Leto II (not God Emperor but
God's Messenger), all through the Famines and the Scattering, through every
painful defeat at the hands of lesser creatures, through all of those agonies
the Tleilaxu had built their patient forces for this moment.
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If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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Thank you FZ!Freakzilla wrote:They had waited millennia for this time, his people. Waff savored the momentSwordMaster wrote:FZ will hit us with a quote Im sure.
now. All through the bad times of the Prophet Leto II (not God Emperor but
God's Messenger), all through the Famines and the Scattering, through every
painful defeat at the hands of lesser creatures, through all of those agonies
the Tleilaxu had built their patient forces for this moment.
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Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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Yeah it was a bit more then that, it had to do with the idea of "true faith" as well, and by "bait" I think you mean the BG used it to get close to the BT and somehow make the BT think they shared the same "great belief" to some extent create the appearance of an alliance, or the potential for one. Plans within plans.Freakzilla wrote:Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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Bingo Although i think there was another intended effect with other factions but i'm not sure. I'm gonna have to go read Heretics again to check that.SwordMaster wrote:Yeah it was a bit more then that, it had to do with the idea of "true faith" as well, and by "bait" I think you mean the BG used it to get close to the BT and somehow make the BT think they shared the same "great belief" to some extent create the appearance of an alliance, or the potential for one. Plans within plans.Freakzilla wrote:Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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It had universal effect, one could argue the influence of the document reached the vast depths of the scattering. I would say the BG always had a universal plan in everything they did, from Missionaria Protectiva to the Atreides Manifesto they were always cultivating universal influence.Seraphan wrote:Bingo Although i think there was another intended effect with other factions but i'm not sure. I'm gonna have to go read Heretics again to check that.SwordMaster wrote:Yeah it was a bit more then that, it had to do with the idea of "true faith" as well, and by "bait" I think you mean the BG used it to get close to the BT and somehow make the BT think they shared the same "great belief" to some extent create the appearance of an alliance, or the potential for one. Plans within plans.Freakzilla wrote:Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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Don't you think the Atreides Manifesto falls under the Missionaria Protectiva's scope?SwordMaster wrote:It had universal effect, one could argue the influence of the document reached the vast depths of the scattering. I would say the BG always had a universal plan in everything they did, from Missionaria Protectiva to the Atreides Manifesto they were always cultivating universal influence.Seraphan wrote:Bingo Although i think there was another intended effect with other factions but i'm not sure. I'm gonna have to go read Heretics again to check that.SwordMaster wrote:Yeah it was a bit more then that, it had to do with the idea of "true faith" as well, and by "bait" I think you mean the BG used it to get close to the BT and somehow make the BT think they shared the same "great belief" to some extent create the appearance of an alliance, or the potential for one. Plans within plans.Freakzilla wrote:Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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Indeed. Other then the time distance between to two they have a strong connection.Freakzilla wrote:Don't you think the Atreides Manifesto falls under the Missionaria Protectiva's scope?SwordMaster wrote:It had universal effect, one could argue the influence of the document reached the vast depths of the scattering. I would say the BG always had a universal plan in everything they did, from Missionaria Protectiva to the Atreides Manifesto they were always cultivating universal influence.Seraphan wrote:Bingo Although i think there was another intended effect with other factions but i'm not sure. I'm gonna have to go read Heretics again to check that.SwordMaster wrote:Yeah it was a bit more then that, it had to do with the idea of "true faith" as well, and by "bait" I think you mean the BG used it to get close to the BT and somehow make the BT think they shared the same "great belief" to some extent create the appearance of an alliance, or the potential for one. Plans within plans.Freakzilla wrote:Would you care to expand on that?Seraphan wrote:If memory serves me right, it was a document stating that the only true religion was the tleilaxu one. It served as a bait, i think.SwordMaster wrote:What do you think the Atreides Manifesto was?
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I'm confused...
The MP was still around at the time of the Manifesto, they were planning for Sheeana's return.
I'm saying Odrade probably had direction from them, since she was Head of Security and religion was not her speciality.
The MP was still around at the time of the Manifesto, they were planning for Sheeana's return.
I'm saying Odrade probably had direction from them, since she was Head of Security and religion was not her speciality.
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Sorry I ment the time difference between their conception FZ, not being clear in my prev posting. I was relating more to the fact they both sharred a common theme in creation. Odrade was under direction from various sources including OM during its conception, now do you see the connection I am making? I also feel that this was a security issue more then a religous one.Freakzilla wrote:I'm confused...
The MP was still around at the time of the Manifesto, they were planning for Sheeana's return.
I'm saying Odrade probably had direction from them, since she was Head of Security and religion was not her speciality.
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Good points.SwordMaster wrote:Sorry I ment the time difference between their conception FZ, not being clear in my prev posting. I was relating more to the fact they both sharred a common theme in creation. Odrade was under direction from various sources including OM during its conception, now do you see the connection I am making? I also feel that this was a security issue more then a religous one.Freakzilla wrote:I'm confused...
The MP was still around at the time of the Manifesto, they were planning for Sheeana's return.
I'm saying Odrade probably had direction from them, since she was Head of Security and religion was not her speciality.
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I'm struck by the how the Tleilaxu insistence on the non-divinity of Leto is analogous to Muslim insistence of the non-divinity of Jesus.Freakzilla wrote:... the Prophet Leto II (not God Emperor butSwordMaster wrote:FZ will hit us with a quote Im sure.
God's Messenger) ...
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Re: Tlilaxian adoration of the God Emperor
when they realized Leto II was as powerful as he was and that they had to. Religion adapts to reality to a certain degree (a very minor one) or it dies.Unfront wrote:I noticed that in Heretics of Dune, the Tleilaxu are worshipers of "The divided God". At what point did tleilaxians begin to accept the God Emperor as Gods messenger as a part of their religion?
Look at the RCC or any modern religion; you can hardly recognize it from its original conception. How many people are stone from working on the "Sabbath" or for any other minor moral offense that was soooooo dire 2000 +/- years ago? Islam is trying to without admitting its own (Mohannad's eraser) hypocrisy (Mohammad was a perv sex fiend).
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How so?Harq al Ada wrote:Look at the RCC or any modern religion; you can hardly recognize it from its original conception. How many people are stone from working on the "Sabbath" or for any other minor moral offense that was soooooo dire 2000 +/- years ago? Islam is trying to without admitting its own (Mohannad's eraser) hypocrisy (Mohammad was a perv sex fiend).
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how so, what? which part are you how so-ing?Redstar wrote:How so?Harq al Ada wrote:Look at the RCC or any modern religion; you can hardly recognize it from its original conception. How many people are stone from working on the "Sabbath" or for any other minor moral offense that was soooooo dire 2000 +/- years ago? Islam is trying to without admitting its own (Mohannad's eraser) hypocrisy (Mohammad was a perv sex fiend).
if you want I can break down how the 2 brainwash factories have cherry picked their books to fit modern ideas of morality.
I'm a few deep so forgive me if what I'm writing is a little muddled.
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I bolded what I was questioning.
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Nine-year-old wife, for starters?
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There are several objections here, but I won't name them; this is a discussion forum about Dune.
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Is religion not a prominent theme in the Dune Series?Raveem wrote:There are several objections here, but I won't name them; this is a discussion forum about Dune.
Raveem.
BTW, Abraham, Moses, Hebrew prophets, and Jesus were all Prophets in Islam, but their message and the texts of the Torah and the Gospels were corrupted by Jews and Christians.
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sorry, didn't notice that last night.Redstar wrote:I bolded what I was questioning.
I was being flippant but yah...
that's a big one.SandChigger wrote:Nine-year-old wife, for starters?
Raping people and sanctioning rape is pretty immoral and sexually perverse also."Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..." QURAN - 33:50
interesting stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKWf7iX6ru0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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