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" also sort of enabling him in a way? TOTAL IGNORING please! 
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would be good, tooI wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
Defending the undefendable is a bit time consuming isn't it?redbugpest wrote:I wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
I think it was more along the lines of the manifestation in that ghola. I think that there was common knowledge that the potential was in that Teg, but there was no guarantee that it would manifest.Schu wrote:Yes, he hid it from them too. There was no mention of Teg's superspeed being a secret among the sisterhood - it runs rather contrary to the democratic nature of the Bene Gesserit that full revered mothers (and proctors, no less) would be restricted from such information, especially when they were using him as a military commander. The only time I remember any records being restricted was when it was something that people didn't have to know, and would be bad for morale.ionah wrote:do Ghola Teg hides this from them in the spacehsip ?Schu wrote: - Shenna and Duncan: were there when he regained his memories, were witness to both his superspeed and admission that he was capable of it.well maybe, i read the stuff so quickly ... (and in english) .. so maybe i go in da book and read again about it.
concerning the comeye, maybe was the information "classified" and not all the Sisterhood was aware of it.
concerning the Jews, they may have heard rumor about it, at least yes, Rebecca might have known since having sharing with Murbella who shared with Odrade who knew ...
Actually, I remember the general sisterhood explicitly knowing about Teg's superspeed - something about them not considering his superspeed that big a deal, but if they found out about his ability to see no-ships, he'd be in trouble. I can't find my copy of CH:D right now though
Your buddy seems to.redbugpest wrote:I wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
That is fine - he (she)? is welcome to take a stab at any of them.....Nekhrun wrote:Your buddy seems to.redbugpest wrote:I wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
I think we've learned how well that works.redbugpest wrote:That is fine - he (she)? is welcome to take a stab at any of them.....Nekhrun wrote:Your buddy seems to.redbugpest wrote:I wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
I just don't want you bumping them all on account of me....
Um ... didn't it "manifest" when he regained his memories?redbugpest wrote:I think it was more along the lines of the manifestation in that ghola. I think that there was common knowledge that the potential was in that Teg, but there was no guarantee that it would manifest.
To be honest, I'd rather discuss these points with you, redbugpest. KJASF is only pretending, in an effort to get us all riled up. Hence the lack of my participation in his attempts at proper debate. You are a true Keith fan, which is rare around here.redbugpest wrote:That is fine - he (she)? is welcome to take a stab at any of them.....Nekhrun wrote:Your buddy seems to.redbugpest wrote:I wouldn't bother bumping them all. I don't have THAT much time...Dune Nerd wrote:BUMP
I just don't want you bumping them all on account of me....
I don't think you are understanding this. When I said "There was no mention of Teg's superspeed being a secret among the sisterhood", I meant the ghola, not the original. When I said " it runs rather contrary to the democratic nature of the Bene Gesserit that full revered mothers (and proctors, no less) would be restricted from such information", I meant the comeye records of when the ghola regained his memories and admitted that he he moved faster than the eye can see.redbugpest wrote:I think it was more along the lines of the manifestation in that ghola. I think that there was common knowledge that the potential was in that Teg, but there was no guarantee that it would manifest.Schu wrote:Yes, he hid it from them too. There was no mention of Teg's superspeed being a secret among the sisterhood - it runs rather contrary to the democratic nature of the Bene Gesserit that full revered mothers (and proctors, no less) would be restricted from such information, especially when they were using him as a military commander. The only time I remember any records being restricted was when it was something that people didn't have to know, and would be bad for morale.ionah wrote:do Ghola Teg hides this from them in the spacehsip ?Schu wrote: - Shenna and Duncan: were there when he regained his memories, were witness to both his superspeed and admission that he was capable of it.
concerning the comeye, maybe was the information "classified" and not all the Sisterhood was aware of it.
concerning the Jews, they may have heard rumor about it, at least yes, Rebecca might have known since having sharing with Murbella who shared with Odrade who knew ...
Actually, I remember the general sisterhood explicitly knowing about Teg's superspeed - something about them not considering his superspeed that big a deal, but if they found out about his ability to see no-ships, he'd be in trouble. I can't find my copy of CH:D right now though
)When he regained his original memories, he would have then "remembered" that he could do it. The ability just may not have manifested on it's own prior to that.SandChigger wrote:Um ... didn't it "manifest" when he regained his memories?redbugpest wrote:I think it was more along the lines of the manifestation in that ghola. I think that there was common knowledge that the potential was in that Teg, but there was no guarantee that it would manifest.
FAIL.
Just like TehKJAcket or Kevin's Bitch?SandChigger wrote:Thanks, Schu. I was just reading the "reply" and was about to post "What the FUCK are you babbling about?!"
Don't waste your time on this loser. He hasn't the balls, brains or integrity to address things honestly.
Just like his hero.
I agree that there is something odd here, I went back and reread the end of Chapterhouse, and will agree that there would have been a reasonable cross section of people who would have known. I am not sure it would have been common knowledge throughout the whole BG, but would have been known by a good deal of the Chapterhouse RMs.Schu wrote:Like I said, I'd never seen anyone even try to address this, I'm still intrigued to see how it would be done. I just hope pesty gets off these circumlocutions and gets to the real issue, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he just kept doing this.
The MOST idiotic post by you ever!!!redbugpest wrote:I agree that there is something odd here, I went back and reread the end of Chapterhouse, and will agree that there would have been a reasonable cross section of people who would have known. I am not sure it would have been common knowledge throughout the whole BG, but would have been known by a good deal of the Chapterhouse RMs.Schu wrote:Like I said, I'd never seen anyone even try to address this, I'm still intrigued to see how it would be done. I just hope pesty gets off these circumlocutions and gets to the real issue, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he just kept doing this.
I'll go back and reread Hunters and Sandworms again to see if there is something there.
Uh - Read them - Go back and re read the start of the thread, because it has to do with the surprise about Teg's abilities in KJA's books.Serkanner wrote:The MOST idiotic post by you ever!!!redbugpest wrote:I agree that there is something odd here, I went back and reread the end of Chapterhouse, and will agree that there would have been a reasonable cross section of people who would have known. I am not sure it would have been common knowledge throughout the whole BG, but would have been known by a good deal of the Chapterhouse RMs.Schu wrote:Like I said, I'd never seen anyone even try to address this, I'm still intrigued to see how it would be done. I just hope pesty gets off these circumlocutions and gets to the real issue, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he just kept doing this.
I'll go back and reread Hunters and Sandworms again to see if there is something there.
Read Heretics and Chapterhouse moron if you want to increase a bit of your severely lacking Dune knowledge. Damn! You're an idiot!
I have agreed to Schu's statement that their had to be prior knowledgeSchu wrote:Hiya! I was wondering what you thought of (and I'm assuming you've read Chapterhouse Dune and Hunters of Dune) everyone managing to randomly forget that Teg could move quickly.
Let's go over the crew roster:
- Shenna and Duncan: were there when he regained his memories, were witness to both his superspeed and admission that he was capable of it.
- Other splintered Bene Gesserit: Had access to comeye records of that incident - it was common knowledge in the sisterhood.
- The Jews: these guys were on Gammu when Teg did all his funky stuff in the first place. They knew (and not only that, but Rebecca had shared with Murbella, who certainly knew).
-Scytale: Well ok, he has an excuse not to know.
Why then, in the sequels written by KJA and BH, did Teg keep his superspeed a "secret" from the crew, and why were the crew surprised when he demonstrated it - even if they somehow didn't know (which they did), the BG had heard rumours about the whole thing, to the point where Odrade explicitly asks Teg about it, so acting all surprised is kinda... inconsistent
