Dune feature in Empire magazine
Moderators: Omphalos, Freakzilla, ᴶᵛᵀᴬ
- Redstar
- Posts: 1202
- Joined: 25 Feb 2009 04:13
Dune feature in Empire magazine
Was skimming through Empire at the bookstore, and about halfway through I found a six page or so feature on the history of the Dune movies. Wasn't much we don't already know (most of the images snagged from Duneinfo.com), but if you're a collector of sorts I may grab it.
Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate. There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Don't remember if it was quoted before, but the only piece on Berg was that he wants his interpretation to be a "badass action film with Shakespearean drama".
Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate. There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Don't remember if it was quoted before, but the only piece on Berg was that he wants his interpretation to be a "badass action film with Shakespearean drama".
- SandChigger
- KJASF Ground Zero
- Posts: 14492
- Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
- Location: A continuing state of irritation
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Pity they can't get Jodorowsky for the new movie.
But maybe Berg (if it's still Berg) can fuck it up just as well, if not better!
But maybe Berg (if it's still Berg) can fuck it up just as well, if not better!
- SandRider
- Watermaster
- Posts: 6163
- Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
- Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
badass, yeah, that's what we want.
{:gun-to-head smiley:}
hey, watched Burn After Reading on DVD last night.
Fantastic.
Malkovich for Shaddam.
{:gun-to-head smiley:}
hey, watched Burn After Reading on DVD last night.
Fantastic.
Malkovich for Shaddam.
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people. ~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008
I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people. ~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008
- Arrrmanda
- Posts: 107
- Joined: 29 Sep 2009 19:03
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Whoa and...Redstar wrote:Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate. There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Ugh. Is he taking cues from Michael Bay or something?Redstar wrote:Don't remember if it was quoted before, but the only piece on Berg was that he wants his interpretation to be a "badass action film with Shakespearean drama".
Why does Lord of the Rings get a decent film adaptation and we get "bad ass"? It feels like Farscape all over.
- Redstar
- Posts: 1202
- Joined: 25 Feb 2009 04:13
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I've been meaning to bring that up somehow: Jackson's LotR adaptation actually got a lot of flack, and the comments towards it are actually nearly parallel to what we say about KJA's nuDune.Arrrmanda wrote:Why does Lord of the Rings get a decent film adaptation and we get "bad ass"? It feels like Farscape all over.
- Arrrmanda
- Posts: 107
- Joined: 29 Sep 2009 19:03
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Blech. I refuse to give that shit an ounce of my time ever since someone said to me "Star Wars it totally out classed by Lord of the Rings", so I really shouldn't be saying anything about it. I just mean I highly doubt Peter Jackson was quoted anywhere as saying "Yeah it's like a totally bad ass action movie, with like Shakespearean like emotional stuff." Notice I said it was a decent adaptation. We've already got a decent adaptation. I was a fucking good one.
At least Lynch and Jodorowsky took it somewhat seriously.
At least Lynch and Jodorowsky took it somewhat seriously.
- lotek
- Posts: 5784
- Joined: 28 Jul 2009 08:33
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I've ruled out that dune movie thing from my mind, they had so many other franchises to ridicule so why pick Dune?
Jodoroswsky was nuts btw(Dali as an Emperor???)
Have you read his Incal comics with Moebius?
And the Meta Baron series that come from the same universe?
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1820" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jodoroswsky was nuts btw(Dali as an Emperor???)
Have you read his Incal comics with Moebius?
And the Meta Baron series that come from the same universe?
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1820" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Spice is the worm's gonads.
- Freakzilla
- Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
- Posts: 18454
- Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
- Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Another thing TheKJAckass said at D*C was that Dune needs the full LotRs treatment in film.
I promise I'll get that up soon, I just called AAMCO to come tow my van in, hopefully I'll be home this weekend.
I promise I'll get that up soon, I just called AAMCO to come tow my van in, hopefully I'll be home this weekend.
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
~Pink Snowman
- SandChigger
- KJASF Ground Zero
- Posts: 14492
- Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
- Location: A continuing state of irritation
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Lots of magic and action and faeries with a gland problem, you mean?Freakzilla wrote:Another thing TheKJAckass said at D*C was that Dune needs the full LotRs treatment in film.
"Let the dead give water to the dead. As for me, it's NO MORE FUCKING TEARS!"
- TheDukester
- Posts: 3808
- Joined: 20 Jun 2008 13:44
- Location: Operation Enduring Bacon
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
If ...Freakzilla wrote:Another thing TheKJAckass said at D*C was that Dune needs the full LotRs treatment in film.
IF
... if what Hacky meant was that the story needs more time and space so that it can be properly told on film, then I will actually cut him some slack on this one.
One smart thing that Jackson did was to go to New Line and beg and plead and fight for three films (although I've since heard that he would have settled for two long-ish films). No matter what any of us might think of the execution of the films*, I think we'd all admit that at least the story had plenty of room to breathe.
*I liked them, personally, although I had some issues with certain aspects
"Anything I write will be remembered and listed in bibliographies on Dune for several hundred years ..." — some delusional halfwit troll.
- SandChigger
- KJASF Ground Zero
- Posts: 14492
- Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
- Location: A continuing state of irritation
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I rather enjoyed them. Of course, it'd been years since I'd read the books...TheDukester wrote:*I liked them, personally, although I had some issues with certain aspects
- Freakzilla
- Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
- Posts: 18454
- Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
- Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
..of course he quickly followed that statement up by whining about how little input they would have on the film.
I think I remember the room breathing a collective sigh of relief.
I think I remember the room breathing a collective sigh of relief.
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
~Pink Snowman
- TheDukester
- Posts: 3808
- Joined: 20 Jun 2008 13:44
- Location: Operation Enduring Bacon
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
Freakzilla wrote:..of course he quickly followed that statement up by whining about how little input they would have on the film.
I love this part. I like to picture Kevin's face the moment he found out what "executive producer" really means.
"Anything I write will be remembered and listed in bibliographies on Dune for several hundred years ..." — some delusional halfwit troll.
- lotek
- Posts: 5784
- Joined: 28 Jul 2009 08:33
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
he needs his own personal Nelson Muntz
Spice is the worm's gonads.
- inhuien
- Posts: 3645
- Joined: 09 Feb 2008 05:03
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I thought that was our "function".
- lotek
- Posts: 5784
- Joined: 28 Jul 2009 08:33
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
touché!inhuien wrote:I thought that was our "function".
Spice is the worm's gonads.
- A Thing of Eternity
- Posts: 6090
- Joined: 08 Apr 2008 15:35
- Location: Calgary Alberta
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
And the Emperor was going to have a robot twin that was indistiguishable from himself, and he lived on a SOLID gold planet.Redstar wrote:Was skimming through Empire at the bookstore, and about halfway through I found a six page or so feature on the history of the Dune movies. Wasn't much we don't already know (most of the images snagged from Duneinfo.com), but if you're a collector of sorts I may grab it.
Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate. There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Don't remember if it was quoted before, but the only piece on Berg was that he wants his interpretation to be a "badass action film with Shakespearean drama".
That guy had serious emotional issues. Would have been pretty much the most fucked up movie of all time though, especially with the penis eating giant Giger worms!
- Redstar
- Posts: 1202
- Joined: 25 Feb 2009 04:13
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
The guy was creatively insane. I like some of his interpretations, such as paul being a white-haired mutant conceived by a drop of Leto's blood and Gurney as a dwarf (reminds me greatly of Sigurd's mentor), but the only aspects that I would have enjoyed seeing in film were the costumes (if they were toned down a little) and the various palaces. The gigantic "reclining-Buddha" palaces just feel Dune-ish to me, especially in their size and theme. I don't know the exact ratio, but Paul's palace was said to be so large it could fit the pyramids in it, right?
- Freakzilla
- Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
- Posts: 18454
- Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
- Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I think it was something more like the size of a city.Redstar wrote:The guy was creatively insane. I like some of his interpretations, such as paul being a white-haired mutant conceived by a drop of Leto's blood and Gurney as a dwarf (reminds me greatly of Sigurd's mentor), but the only aspects that I would have enjoyed seeing in film were the costumes (if they were toned down a little) and the various palaces. The gigantic "reclining-Buddha" palaces just feel Dune-ish to me, especially in their size and theme. I don't know the exact ratio, but Paul's palace was said to be so large it could fit the pyramids in it, right?
I think his audience chamber doors were 40 meters high.
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
~Pink Snowman
- Drunken Idaho
- Posts: 1197
- Joined: 15 Sep 2008 23:56
- Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I can actually sympathize with this. It's true that when a piece of art is released to the world, it belongs to the audience not the artist. I can totally understand not wanting to have Frank involved. Jodorowsky obviously enjoyed Dune immensely and felt that everyone should see it the way he does.Redstar wrote: Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate.
But this is just bullshit. Sounds to me like he put a little more thought into Shaddam than was necessary. Frank told us everything we needed to know about him, no need for shitting into dolphin's mouths (aren't dolphin mouths too narrow and small for such a function anyway? Nevermind...)Redstar wrote:There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Yeah, I can't say I ever understood that painting at all. What is a giant black penis doing in the middle of the desert, and why is it being sucked on by a Sandworm? Didn't that concept end up being the inspiration for Alien?A Thing of Eternity wrote: And the Emperor was going to have a robot twin that was indistiguishable from himself, and he lived on a SOLID gold planet.
That guy had serious emotional issues. Would have been pretty much the most fucked up movie of all time though, especially with the penis eating giant Giger worms!
And I never heard that bit about the gold planet. A great concept, but for Dune that's really dumb. Did Jodorowsky plan on having Arrakis or Paul or Fremen in it? Would it have anything at all to do with Dune?
"The Idahos were never ordinary people."
-Reverend Mother Superior Alma Mavis Taraza
-Reverend Mother Superior Alma Mavis Taraza
- TheDukester
- Posts: 3808
- Joined: 20 Jun 2008 13:44
- Location: Operation Enduring Bacon
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
+1Drunken Idaho wrote:But this is just bullshit. Sounds to me like he put a little more thought into Shaddam than was necessary.
I was never sure why the part about the bodily functions was "wonderful," either. Sounds like pretentious Euro-weenie nonsense to me.
"Anything I write will be remembered and listed in bibliographies on Dune for several hundred years ..." — some delusional halfwit troll.
- Freakzilla
- Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
- Posts: 18454
- Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
- Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
It's an excellent example of what happens when you take way too much LSD.
Shit like this happens:
Shit like this happens:
Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
~Pink Snowman
- DuneFishUK
- Posts: 1991
- Joined: 25 May 2008 14:14
- Location: Cool Britannia
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
The willy-worm was for the Ridley Scott film IIRC.A Thing of Eternity wrote: And the Emperor was going to have a robot twin that was indistiguishable from himself, and he lived on a SOLID gold planet.
That guy had serious emotional issues. Would have been pretty much the most fucked up movie of all time though, especially with the penis eating giant Giger worms!
I really want to see Jodorowsky's Dune. Would be cool if one day someone could make an animated storyboard/cg version.
- http://www.kullwahad.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - http://dunefont.kullwahad.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -
- A Thing of Eternity
- Posts: 6090
- Joined: 08 Apr 2008 15:35
- Location: Calgary Alberta
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
I think you might be missing that Jordowski's Dune was essentially going to have nothing to do with Dune. Every single aspect was changed and turned into some kind of absuridist nightmare. Nothing was going to make any sense at all, it sounded like every scene was going to be based on a roll of the dice of absurd things that could happen. I wouldn't have put it past him to have made the ending into Paul, Duncan (who is now a dinosaur, perhaps?) and the emperor (and his duplicate robot) having a big four way orgy and their sperm killing all the worms and then the planet turns into rainbows and gets eaten by the flying space unicorns.Drunken Idaho wrote:I can actually sympathize with this. It's true that when a piece of art is released to the world, it belongs to the audience not the artist. I can totally understand not wanting to have Frank involved. Jodorowsky obviously enjoyed Dune immensely and felt that everyone should see it the way he does.Redstar wrote: Two interesting points were how Jodorowsky refused to let Frank advise or have any role involved in his version, claiming the books "didn't belong to him", that they were "divinely inspired" and so his interpretation would be more accurate.
But this is just bullshit. Sounds to me like he put a little more thought into Shaddam than was necessary. Frank told us everything we needed to know about him, no need for shitting into dolphin's mouths (aren't dolphin mouths too narrow and small for such a function anyway? Nevermind...)Redstar wrote:There were also plans to have the Padishah Emperor's throne be constructed of two dolphin-figures, with their mouths forming twin toilet bowels that the Emperor (played by Dali) would separately urinate and defecate into. This would be entirely filmed (though with a stun double) and the penis and anus shown entirely functioning. Wonderful.
Yeah, I can't say I ever understood that painting at all. What is a giant black penis doing in the middle of the desert, and why is it being sucked on by a Sandworm? Didn't that concept end up being the inspiration for Alien?A Thing of Eternity wrote: And the Emperor was going to have a robot twin that was indistiguishable from himself, and he lived on a SOLID gold planet.
That guy had serious emotional issues. Would have been pretty much the most fucked up movie of all time though, especially with the penis eating giant Giger worms!
And I never heard that bit about the gold planet. A great concept, but for Dune that's really dumb. Did Jodorowsky plan on having Arrakis or Paul or Fremen in it? Would it have anything at all to do with Dune?
I think that's roughly how it would have gone (slight hyperbole). Woulda been cool to see though.
- DuneFishUK
- Posts: 1991
- Joined: 25 May 2008 14:14
- Location: Cool Britannia
- Contact:
Re: Dune feature in Empire magazine
There's a Jodorowsky quote somewhere - he had a dream where he was told "Your next film will be Dune!" but he hadn't read it, so he runs down and waits outside the bookshop until it opens.
EDIT: slightly mis-remembered - http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/jodorowsky.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Once, the Divinity agreed to say to me in a lucid dream: "Your next film must be Dune." I had not read the novel. I lifted myself to a height of six o'clock in the morning and as an alcoholic who awaits the opening of the bar, I waited until someone opens the bookshop to buy the book. I read it of a feature without me stopping for drinking or eating."
EDIT: slightly mis-remembered - http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/jodorowsky.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Once, the Divinity agreed to say to me in a lucid dream: "Your next film must be Dune." I had not read the novel. I lifted myself to a height of six o'clock in the morning and as an alcoholic who awaits the opening of the bar, I waited until someone opens the bookshop to buy the book. I read it of a feature without me stopping for drinking or eating."
- http://www.kullwahad.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - http://dunefont.kullwahad.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -