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SandChigger wrote:Water Insects. I like that.

Orthodox wrote:I think Iduali is used much like Deer is used. Where you say Deer in the singular, you use "Deer" in the plural as well. You don't says "Deers".

Dictionary.Com wrote:WORD HISTORY Oranges imported to China from the United States reflect a journey come full circle, for the orange had worked its way westward for centuries, originating in China, then being introduced to India, and traveling on to the Middle East, into Europe, and finally to the New World. The history of the word orange keeps step with this journey only part of the way. The word is possibly ultimately from Dravidian, a family of languages spoken in southern India and northern Sri Lanka. The Dravidian word or words were adopted into the Indo-European language Sanskrit with the form nārangaḥ. As the fruit passed westward, so did the word, as evidenced by Persian nārang and Arabic nāranj. Arabs brought the first oranges to Spain, and the fruit rapidly spread throughout Europe. The important word for the development of our term is Old Italian melarancio, derived from mela, "fruit," and arancio, "orange tree," from Arabic nāranj. Old Italian melarancio was translated into Old French as pume orenge, the o replacing the a because of the influence of the name of the town of Orange, from which oranges reached the northern part of France. The final stage of the odyssey of the word was its borrowing into English from the Old French form orenge. Our word is first recorded in Middle English in a text probably composed around 1380, a time preceding the arrival of the orange in the New World.

Orthodox wrote:Do you think that by using linguistic cues, that Frank meant to create imagery of that person through what we would call "stereotypes"?

An archetype (pronounced /ˈɑrkɪtaɪp/) is an original model of a person, ideal example, or a prototype upon which others are copied, patterned, or emulated; a symbol universally recognized by all. In psychology, an archetype is a model of a person, personality, or behavior

Orthodox wrote:Oh, yes, I imagine that's exactly what he intended. This of course, is what boggles me about Keith and BoBo. Many times they have been just plain ignorant of how to evoke symbolic gestures. Frank was predicting the future in the way he saw it, by using words to evoke imagery. That is of course a little beyond them, I know. I have asked Kevin why he doesn't use more Arabic words. I think he said something along the lines of, "Well, I don't know Arabic" or something.

SandChigger wrote:Then WHAT in the name of Frank's scrotal hairs was that CHISRA SALA MUAD'DIB BULLSHIT?!

Aaaaagh! Son of Pig AND Dog!!!

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I feel much better now.

Aquila ka-Hecate wrote:..and here's another example of Frank Herbert morphing words:

The same book (I think it was Heretics, but please correct me if I'm wrong), we meet both Tylwyth Waff and Miles Teg.

I'm always gently amused by this rendering into two of the Welsh name for the Fair Folk, especially as one of the two characters bears a passing resemblance to one of the Little People.

Frank could be obtusely funny.

SandChigger wrote:There are also the obvious (or oft discussed) House names, with "Atreides" evoking Greek tragedy and "Harkonnen" the Cold War & distrust.

The Harkonnen name was believed to originate in what was western Russia on ancient Earth, and the region of Earth called Suomi, also Finland. It has been suggested that the Harkonnen name comes from Sweden as a derivation of Hakkon - but it is likely that it is indeed from Finland, as Härkönen is a 20th century Finnish name.

SandChigger wrote:Isn't there an interview or something with FH where he gives that as the reason for the name? Something about getting it out of a phonebook, maybe?

Orthodox wrote:Sorry, but what is T(A)U?