Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?
Posted: 17 Jul 2012 03:21
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I don't know at what point FH settled on the form of the Tleilaxu regime, but he had been thinking about aspects of their regime for years before he published Heretics of Dune. Hellstrom's Hive, published in the 1970s, is about a human city somewhat resembling an ant nest or bee hive. The Hive's rulers have developed technology resembling the axlotl tanks, which they call merely "stumps," inasmuch as only the trunk is kept and used. In Hellstrom's Hive, the "stumps" and their use are described much more clearly or "graphically" than in the Dune novels. Moreover, the Hive have a subordinate class that are chemically neutered. They make their way in the world partly by means of infiltrating ordinary human society with Hive members who retain loyalty to the Hive, but outwardly imitate the human beings among whom they live.artistagent116 wrote:I've always wondered about the "revelation" in this book (Heretics of Dune) about the Axolotl Tanks being human women. Did anyone else go "Whoa!" when that was disclosed? All along, I figured the tanks were mechanical....not organic. The idea never entered my mind that the tanks were not some perhaps plasteel or plaz...liquid-filled...man-made vessel. Did I miss initial clues to the contrary? Could FH have had this purpose all along? Was he waiting for the latter part of the saga to expose this? Or did he one day decide to elaborate on the tanks for us, and create this shocking portrait? Or did I simply miss something?
Given the timing of your reply, you may have been replying to me, but since I haven't read that story, I can't make the connections. Is it interesting? What's it about? (I admit, the title has always seemed so cheesy, it's just put me off!)Freakzilla wrote:The Green Brain?
I'm sorry, wrong book. I was thinking of:Kralizec wrote:Given the timing of your reply, you may have been replying to me, but since I haven't read that story, I can't make the connections. Is it interesting? What's it about? (I admit, the title has always seemed so cheesy, it's just put me off!)Freakzilla wrote:The Green Brain?
Well, yes, except that I think there are indications that the Agency is modeled on a non-governmental group with a Chief who has never been seen by anyone, a visible head who affects to be from a Kingdom elsewhere, members who do not have children, and a rumored, secluded playground to which the members are said to retire when their work on earth is done.Freakzilla wrote:Hellstrom's Hive (1973) is a science fiction novel written by Frank Herbert. It is about a secret group of humans who model their lives upon social insects, and the unsettling events that unfold after they are discovered by a deeply undercover agency of the US government.
Firstly. there's certainly no mention of the BG volunteers being decapitated, Secondly the BT have breed tanks for thousands of years, they don't modify a standard female. These fucker can breed beasts that can steal your memories a bit of replumbings not going to trouble them, tanks make tanks.Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:Back to the topic of the tanks. I take it that they still have their heads attached?
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Either way, I do wander how they manage to keep the reproductive functions of the female body still functioning when it is mangled and perverted as it is by the Tleilaxu.
All kinds of neat stuff. It's interesting that regeneration is an ancestral trait we've lost. Cancer and regeneration are very similar which isn't surprising. Now we need to figure out how to regenerate the brain. To contain the memories of our 'previous life'.
Hellstrom's Hivedistrans wrote:as I recall they had something like them in that book he wrote about the hive
helstroms
called em 'stumps' and it sounded like they didn't have heads or chests
Were they in Destination: Void and it's sequels, the ones with Bill Ransom? I seem to remember the clones being raised in them. Been a while since I've read those, now I have a reason to dig them up. Herbert used the same tech ideas throughout his books, it's always fun when something pops up and you get a bit more of a description of how it works.as I recall they had something like them in that book he wrote about the hive
helstroms
The axolotl tank talk and this makes me want to listen to this..I posted an article today to the Orthodoxed Herbertarian FB Group about human-animal hybrids...
Yes they were.the rev wrote:Were they in Destination: Void and it's sequels, the ones with Bill Ransom?