Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 05:49
In GEoD Duncan says he knew Leto II as a small child when Siona asked what he remembered about him. How is this possible when the original Duncan died before Paul even met Chani?
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Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 05:59
By searching this forum about this topic.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 09:18
It's generally believed to be a mistake on FH's part.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 11:11
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Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 14:08
Sorry, I didn't see the other thread. Remove it if you like.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 15:39
Congratz on discovering the anomoly!
Any thoughts?
I don't think the thread should be deleted.
Any thoughts?
I don't think the thread should be deleted.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 16:36
No, the Reading Group wasn't meant to discuss such things, it's better to have it in General.D Pope wrote:I don't think the thread should be deleted.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 26 Oct 2011 16:52
"In GEoD Duncan says he knew Leto II as a small child..."
This could be read two different ways. Read it one way and it makes sense. The other way, not so much. At least that's my take. :p
This could be read two different ways. Read it one way and it makes sense. The other way, not so much. At least that's my take. :p
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 01:38
completely agreeFreakzilla wrote:No, the Reading Group wasn't meant to discuss such things, it's better to have it in General.D Pope wrote:I don't think the thread should be deleted.
How do you figure?Spicelon wrote:This could be read two different ways. Read it one way and it makes sense. The other way, not so much. At least that's my take.
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 07:24
If I may 
When Leto II is born and Chani dies is the time Hayt awakens.
So technically it is Duncan that looks over the twins, no ?
So the GEoD Duncan can say he knew Leto II as a child(but not that he remembers him)
When Leto II is born and Chani dies is the time Hayt awakens.
So technically it is Duncan that looks over the twins, no ?
So the GEoD Duncan can say he knew Leto II as a child(but not that he remembers him)
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 08:28
Yes, but the Duncan in GEoD should only have memories of his original life. Remembering Hayt would be serial memories, which he doesn't get until HoD.lotek wrote:If I may
When Leto II is born and Chani dies is the time Hayt awakens.
So technically it is Duncan that looks over the twins, no ?
So the GEoD Duncan can say he knew Leto II as a child(but not that he remembers him)
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 08:46
yes which is why I said
It's splitting hairs but it kinda works.lotek wrote:So the GEoD Duncan can say he knew Leto II as a child(but not that he remembers him)
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 11:16
I am Duncan Idaho, swordmaster of the Atreides. He clung to this memory as
he stood in the yellow room.
I died defending Paul and his mother in a cave-sietch beneath the sands of Dune.
I have been returned to that planet, but Dune is no more. Now it is only Arrakis.
He had read the truncated history which the Tleilaxu provided, but he did not
believe it. More than thirty-five hundred years? Who could believe his flesh
existed after such a time? Except . . . with Tleilaxu it was possible. He had
believe his own senses.
"There have been many of you," his instructors had said.
"How many?"
"The Lord Leto will provide that information."
The Lord Leto?
The Tleilaxu history said this Lord Leto was Leto II, grandson of the Leto who
Idaho had served with fanatical devotion. But this second Leto (so the history
said) had become something . . . something so strange that Idaho despaired of
understanding the transformation.
How could a human slowly turn into a sandworm? How could any thinking creature
live more than three thousand years? Not even the wildest projections of geriatric
spice allowed such a lifespan.
Leto II, the God Emperor?
The Tleilaxu history was not to be believed!
Idaho remembered a strange child - twins, really: Leto and Ghanima, Paul's
children, the children of Chani, who had died delivering them. The Tleilaxu
history said Ghanima had died after a relatively normal life, but the God
Emperor Leto lived on and on and on ....
"Were the GE's Duncans Clones of Hayt or the Original? (poll)" :
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"Hayt" :
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Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 12:35
thanks
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 18:49
Thanks for the links. A lot of people seem to think it was a Hayt ghola but I lean towards the original. In GEoD he talks about remembering his death to Sardaukar in Harkonen livery...the Hayt ghola died by Stillgar's crysknife, but he never mentions that, or any other Hayt memory. Another reason I don't think it was Hayt is his response to Siona, that "he was just a small boy". Leto II was eight or older when Hayt was killed, and even though there is no dialog between them in CoD, you'd think he would get to know him somewhat in those eight years. Leto II and Ghanima were the most complex pair in the universe, even at the age of eight, and I don't think that would escape the observations of a mentat. So I think he was the original Duncan and it was just a mistake. I mean, one mistake (that I've noticed) in this large and incredible body of work isn't bad!
Re: Duncan knew Leto II as a child?
Posted: 27 Oct 2011 18:52
There are a few more mistakes ( one-armed Otheym f.i. ) but none bad enough to get you into the type of blinding rage that the Hack Twins managed to accomplish.