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pauls jihad...
we face understanding that there were not nearly enough fighting age fremen around to accomplish it
if anyone was fighting back
it was accomplished via subterfuge of a stricken society
that i find little report of...
if anyone was fighting back
it was accomplished via subterfuge of a stricken society
that i find little report of...
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Re: pauls jihad...
Bollocks. Go away.distrans wrote:we face understanding that there were not nearly enough fighting age fremen around to accomplish it
if anyone was fighting back
it was accomplished via subterfuge of a stricken society
that i find little report of...
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Re: pauls jihad...
Apparently there were, says so in the books. Why do you keep trying to contradict Frank Herbert?
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One Sardaukar was at their peak worth 10 Landsraad troops, and the Fremen beat them, so...
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Re: pauls jihad...
how good they were is beside the point
there just couldnt have been enough of them...
there just couldnt have been enough of them...
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Re: pauls jihad...
You can use your imagination about how Paul's army was staffed. It doesn't really matter that much. In my head canon I think of all the planets with suffering populations, teeming with resentment and looking for a way to get back at their oppressors, joining up under the leadership of the Fremen commanders. FH doesn't say this outright but it could be the case. It's up to you to think about these things and work with what FH wrote.distrans wrote:how good they were is beside the point
there just couldnt have been enough of them...
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Re: pauls jihad...
i do
why the question...
my read says the fremen didnt even have the numbers it would take to lead a conquests even if they could own the schools it would take their numbers to be what it took to officer and lead the numbers imperium dominance it would take even if they walked over everyone else...
why the question...
my read says the fremen didnt even have the numbers it would take to lead a conquests even if they could own the schools it would take their numbers to be what it took to officer and lead the numbers imperium dominance it would take even if they walked over everyone else...
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Yes, they did have the numbers. Fremen were not limited to Paul-Muad'dib's sietch, there were many sietches among the Ichwan Bedwine, some of which may have been larger. Besides, the Fedaykin were an elite force, which would be supplemented by conscripted troops. So it's entirely possible that new converts and resentful populations filled the ranks of the jihad, with Fremen as both the tip of the spear and the officers. As georgie said, Frank Herbert doesn't hand you everything, he intentionally leaves clues and vague outlines, so that the reader can fill in the details, because he assumes you're intelligent (quite different from George RR Martin's love of pedantic detail). My recent thread is another example of that.
eta: In the conversation between Hawat and the Baron, the Fremen population is estimated as at least 10 million, and that's a bare minimum -- there might have been tens of millions more. So yes, they had the numbers. The clues are there if you read the text.
eta: In the conversation between Hawat and the Baron, the Fremen population is estimated as at least 10 million, and that's a bare minimum -- there might have been tens of millions more. So yes, they had the numbers. The clues are there if you read the text.
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10 million fremen to make Fedaykin to sterilize the planets of 90 billion... I think he needed Guild helpxcalibur wrote: ↑14 Dec 2022 08:40 Yes, they did have the numbers. Fremen were not limited to Paul-Muad'dib's sietch, there were many sietches among the Ichwan Bedwine, some of which may have been larger. Besides, the Fedaykin were an elite force, which would be supplemented by conscripted troops. So it's entirely possible that new converts and resentful populations filled the ranks of the jihad, with Fremen as both the tip of the spear and the officers. As georgie said, Frank Herbert doesn't hand you everything, he intentionally leaves clues and vague outlines, so that the reader can fill in the details, because he assumes you're intelligent (quite different from George RR Martin's love of pedantic detail). My recent thread is another example of that.
eta: In the conversation between Hawat and the Baron, the Fremen population is estimated as at least 10 million, and that's a bare minimum -- there might have been tens of millions more. So yes, they had the numbers. The clues are there if you read the text.
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10 million is a minimum, it might've been 50 or 100 million for all we know. Naturally, he would've needed the Guild regardless, who were forced to do Maud'dib's bidding by his control over the Spice, ie his ability to destroy it at will.Freakzilla wrote: ↑09 Feb 2023 01:5910 million fremen to make Fedaykin to sterilize the planets of 90 billion... I think he needed Guild helpxcalibur wrote: ↑14 Dec 2022 08:40 Yes, they did have the numbers. Fremen were not limited to Paul-Muad'dib's sietch, there were many sietches among the Ichwan Bedwine, some of which may have been larger. Besides, the Fedaykin were an elite force, which would be supplemented by conscripted troops. So it's entirely possible that new converts and resentful populations filled the ranks of the jihad, with Fremen as both the tip of the spear and the officers. As georgie said, Frank Herbert doesn't hand you everything, he intentionally leaves clues and vague outlines, so that the reader can fill in the details, because he assumes you're intelligent (quite different from George RR Martin's love of pedantic detail). My recent thread is another example of that.
eta: In the conversation between Hawat and the Baron, the Fremen population is estimated as at least 10 million, and that's a bare minimum -- there might have been tens of millions more. So yes, they had the numbers. The clues are there if you read the text.
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