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The Sons of Idaho wrote:They claim that according to the outline, Marty and Daniel did in fact have origins way back in the BJ era.
(So, they took the characters they created and had them fill the roles intended for Marty and Daniel. )

If you assume this is true, I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.
(and the only glimpse i've seen so far into what FH actually intended in the outline).

So, I'm interested to hear some speculation from all you experts.
If FH did intent Marty and Daniel to have origins in the BJ era, what could they have been? How might FH have tied these "villians" back to Dune history and connected his vast story arc?

If we assume that they can be tied back to the BJ era, and we assume that they are NOT exiled thinking machines, what then could they be? Is it possible to tie New Face Dancers back to the BJ?

boardadmin wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:Censoring KJA & BH's own words now, huh?

There just simply needs to be some positives and not this OHer ever-present negativity bleeding onto all the threads. It's time to stop that.

My post wasn't negative, I simply asked which interview is correct. That may imply that one interview isn't truthfull, but that is the fault of the authors who gave the interview, not mine. I'm not the one that included the interview on the audiobook.

I bought these books because they claimed they were based on FH's "complete and full" outline, now they claim it was just "clues".

How do you spin that into a possitive?

As paying customers I think we deserve an explaination.

Or how about the money back for the hardcover prequels I bought?

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

The Sons of Idaho wrote:They claim that according to the outline, Marty and Daniel did in fact have origins way back in the BJ era.
(So, they took the characters they created and had them fill the roles intended for Marty and Daniel. )

If you assume this is true, I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.
(and the only glimpse i've seen so far into what FH actually intended in the outline).

So, I'm interested to hear some speculation from all you experts.
If FH did intent Marty and Daniel to have origins in the BJ era, what could they have been? How might FH have tied these "villians" back to Dune history and connected his vast story arc?

If we assume that they can be tied back to the BJ era, and we assume that they are NOT exiled thinking machines, what then could they be? Is it possible to tie New Face Dancers back to the BJ?

I'd have to say it'd be waaay more likely that FH's notes were saying that Marty and Daniel were using illegal tech, and he was drawing parrallels with the BJ... saying that the problem had roots in those times, not the characters, then Pinky and the Brian missinterpreted that, and thus we got what we got.

I realize that doesn't actually answer your question, but I don't think that I can answer it.

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

The Sons of Idaho wrote:They claim that according to the outline, Marty and Daniel did in fact have origins way back in the BJ era.
(So, they took the characters they created and had them fill the roles intended for Marty and Daniel. )

If you assume this is true, I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.
(and the only glimpse i've seen so far into what FH actually intended in the outline).

So, I'm interested to hear some speculation from all you experts.
If FH did intent Marty and Daniel to have origins in the BJ era, what could they have been? How might FH have tied these "villians" back to Dune history and connected his vast story arc?

If we assume that they can be tied back to the BJ era, and we assume that they are NOT exiled thinking machines, what then could they be? Is it possible to tie New Face Dancers back to the BJ?

I'd have to say it'd be waaay more likely that FH's notes were saying that Marty and Daniel were using illegal tech, and he was drawing parrallels with the BJ... saying that the problem had roots in those times, not the characters, then Pinky and the Brian missinterpreted that, and thus we got what we got.

I realize that doesn't actually answer your question, but I don't think that I can answer it.

For me, they could be simple new fance dancers with some Other Memories. And one Ego-memory of a character from the BJ time could had possessed these two FD.

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

The Sons of Idaho wrote:They claim that according to the outline, Marty and Daniel did in fact have origins way back in the BJ era.
(So, they took the characters they created and had them fill the roles intended for Marty and Daniel. )

If you assume this is true, I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.
(and the only glimpse i've seen so far into what FH actually intended in the outline).

So, I'm interested to hear some speculation from all you experts.
If FH did intent Marty and Daniel to have origins in the BJ era, what could they have been? How might FH have tied these "villians" back to Dune history and connected his vast story arc?

If we assume that they can be tied back to the BJ era, and we assume that they are NOT exiled thinking machines, what then could they be? Is it possible to tie New Face Dancers back to the BJ?

I'd have to say it'd be waaay more likely that FH's notes were saying that Marty and Daniel were using illegal tech, and he was drawing parrallels with the BJ... saying that the problem had roots in those times, not the characters, then Pinky and the Brian missinterpreted that, and thus we got what we got.

I realize that doesn't actually answer your question, but I don't think that I can answer it.

For me, they could be simple new fance dancers with some Other Memories. And one Ego-memory of a character from the BJ time could had possessed these two FD.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

The Sons of Idaho wrote:They claim that according to the outline, Marty and Daniel did in fact have origins way back in the BJ era.
(So, they took the characters they created and had them fill the roles intended for Marty and Daniel. )

If you assume this is true, I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.
(and the only glimpse i've seen so far into what FH actually intended in the outline).

So, I'm interested to hear some speculation from all you experts.
If FH did intent Marty and Daniel to have origins in the BJ era, what could they have been? How might FH have tied these "villians" back to Dune history and connected his vast story arc?

If we assume that they can be tied back to the BJ era, and we assume that they are NOT exiled thinking machines, what then could they be? Is it possible to tie New Face Dancers back to the BJ?

I'd have to say it'd be waaay more likely that FH's notes were saying that Marty and Daniel were using illegal tech, and he was drawing parrallels with the BJ... saying that the problem had roots in those times, not the characters, then Pinky and the Brian missinterpreted that, and thus we got what we got.

I realize that doesn't actually answer your question, but I don't think that I can answer it.

For me, they could be simple new fance dancers with some Other Memories. And one Ego-memory of a character from the BJ time could had possessed these two FD.

Could be, maybe since FD's aren't male or female, they were strong enough to access male OM, but not strong enough to resist being posessed. Hmmm.. I might be stretching it, but that seems to be about as good an idea as the killer robo war.

boardadmin wrote:I don't sympathize with you at all, Freak, nor those that continue to buy books they say are "inferior" or "just bad." I might have after one or two books, but after 8? Forget it.

I don't think I use that argument or even tell people they're bad. I may tell them I don't like them though.

There's the argument that you were "waiting for kernel of Frank in the books" that pops up occasionally, but I find that equally unsympathetic. I found plenty of kernels, but you didn't ...or couldn't/wouldn't. I have to wonder if you would continue to buy books from any other author when you found their "writing skills wanting." I wouldn't. I would move on to better books when I discovered something I didn't like.

Julian Mays Magnificat, Diamond Mask and Jack the Bodiless come to mind.

However, I don't care about BH & KJA's writing skills, nor do I comment on them. I wouldn't have cared how bad they were written if they were consistant and didn't contain their own plot lines.

And I don't lurk about trying to somehow show those who enjoyed the books the errors of their ways/logic/whatever.

There are people I work with who read those 'Lust in the Dust' type romance novels that I find oh so putrid, but I don't run around insinuating that these readers are inferior to my literary tastes. And, yes, you do put in those accusations. The undercurrent of your dialogue speaks loud and clear.

I don't think I do that, at least I try not to. I think maybe you are reading that into my comments and pigenholing me into your OH stereotype.

Anyway, that's my take on this situation. Hope it's clearer.

I kept buying them because we were told we had to read them for the "Grand Climax" ending to make sense.

That was the point of writing all these prequels, right?

But as soon as I found that Erasmus and Omnius were in Hunters, I gave it up because BH & KJA admitted that they were their own creations and not in the notes/outline. Need me to provide a link to the interview?

But the only thing that wouldn't have made sense was the damned robots being there in the first place!

I didn't buy them because I wanted to read about BH & KJA's robotic Dr. Mengela (sp?). If I wanted to read about their ideas I'd have bought their non-Dune books. I've never read anything non-Dune by them and won't. I bought them because they are supposed to be based on FH's notes and "complete and full" outline for Dune 7.

I feel like I've been lied to in order to get me, a FH fan, to buy their books.

That's my take.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:I'd have to say it'd be waaay more likely that FH's notes were saying that Marty and Daniel were using illegal tech, and he was drawing parrallels with the BJ... saying that the problem had roots in those times, not the characters, then Pinky and the Brian missinterpreted that, and thus we got what we got.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Hey, I just realized that Byron deleted my comment about Asimov stealing KJABH's ideas, and your (Freak) response to that post... didn't even send me a PM... he just dissapeared it.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Hey, I just realized that Byron deleted my comment about Asimov stealing KJABH's ideas, and your (Freak) response to that post... didn't even send me a PM... he just dissapeared it.

LiquidBlue wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Hey, I just realized that Byron deleted my comment about Asimov stealing KJABH's ideas, and your (Freak) response to that post... didn't even send me a PM... he just dissapeared it.

Why would he delete that? What did you say? I'd think Asimov stealing an idea from KJABH would be a nod to their ideas, if anything...

They were eventually overidden by the Oth law, IIRC, by R. Daneel Olivaw who reprogrammed his own positronic brain.

A robot may not harm humanity or through inaction allow humanity come to harm.

Then the robot merges his mind with a human to allow him to oversee humanity longer and not be bound by the laws.

Sound familiar?

A Thing of Eternity wrote:EDIT: I assumed it was all in good fun, and rather obvious that this wasn't an original idea by KJABH... I guess that's not the case?

Freakzilla wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:EDIT: I assumed it was all in good fun, and rather obvious that this wasn't an original idea by KJABH... I guess that's not the case?

You're kidding, right?

Asimov wrote Foundation and Earth in 1986.

I like to think of the Foundation series as "Dune Light", some go as far to say that Dune was FH's response to Asimov's Foundation (1951).

SandChigger wrote:Oh...Byron deleted my posts, boo hoo.

ONE solution is to stop posting over there, no?

SandChigger wrote:Associate too much with droolers and....


(I mean, look what's happened to Byron! )

Freakzilla wrote:

SandChigger wrote:Oh...Byron deleted my posts, boo hoo.

ONE solution is to stop posting over there, no?

NEVER! Then there will be nothing but drooling psychophants.

BTW, I'm not upset that he deleted my post, he does it all the time.

I take it as a sign that I'm going in the right direction.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

LiquidBlue wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Hey, I just realized that Byron deleted my comment about Asimov stealing KJABH's ideas, and your (Freak) response to that post... didn't even send me a PM... he just dissapeared it.

Why would he delete that? What did you say? I'd think Asimov stealing an idea from KJABH would be a nod to their ideas, if anything...

What's this guy's name? Asimov? I'm going to go tell KJABH that he stole their idea.

Then Freak said something jokingly agreeing....

Then the last two posts got dissapeared

EDIT: I assumed it was all in good fun, and rather obvious that this wasn't an original idea by KJABH... I guess that's not the case?