Jewish Heritage via Axlotl Tank?
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Jewish Heritage via Axlotl Tank?
Since FH established in CH:D that the Jewish heritage of Secret Israel is traced through their maternal line, your mother has to be a Jew in order for you to be one. In that case if Rebecca or another Jewish female is made into an axlotl tank would the gholas born from them be considered Jewish?
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Re: Jewish Heritage via Axlotl Tank?
Sure.Davaro wrote:Since FH established in CH:D that the Jewish heritage of Secret Israel is traced through their maternal line, your mother has to be a Jew in order for you to be one. In that case if Rebecca or another Jewish female is made into an axlotl tank would the gholas born from them be considered Jewish?
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Now, as the resident expert on Judaism, I agree with what Nekhrun said- unless the ghola is of a Jew in the first place, it won't be a Jew even being born by a Jewish ax-tank.
I'm not entirely sure how much a ghola would be considered Jewish anyway, or a clone for that matter(I do believe gholas are a big no-no in Judaism...VERY big, and clones aren't all that great either).
Now, as the resident expert on Judaism, I agree with what Nekhrun said- unless the ghola is of a Jew in the first place, it won't be a Jew even being born by a Jewish ax-tank.
I'm not entirely sure how much a ghola would be considered Jewish anyway, or a clone for that matter(I do believe gholas are a big no-no in Judaism...VERY big, and clones aren't all that great either).
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What? Have you never seen Star Wars Episode II or III? Clones are teh poop!orald wrote: I'm not entirely sure how much a ghola would be considered Jewish anyway, or a clone for that matter(I do believe gholas are a big no-no in Judaism...VERY big, and clones aren't all that great either).
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Probably because ash contains no genetic content.orald wrote:First...
Now, as the resident expert on Judaism, I agree with what Nekhrun said- unless the ghola is of a Jew in the first place, it won't be a Jew even being born by a Jewish ax-tank.
I'm not entirely sure how much a ghola would be considered Jewish anyway, or a clone for that matter(I do believe gholas are a big no-no in Judaism...VERY big, and clones aren't all that great either).
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Pogroms!
CH:D wrote:The Bene Gesserit had preserved Secret Israel in many hours of need. And a pogrom was something his people knew without lengthy explanations.
Pogrom was embedded in the psyche of Secret Israel.
And thanks to the Unspeakable, the chosen people would never forget.
No more than they could forgive.
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Is it still a pogrom when the Jews are the ones holding the clubs and guns?
Hmmm....
Anyway, bringing the ORIGINAL question into a real world context: if a Jewish woman were to serve as a surrogate mother, being implated with the fertilized egg of a goy couple, the child wouldn't be considered Jewish, right?
(Of course, that would be a horrible defilement under Judaism, right? Non-kosher eggs. )
Hmmm....
Anyway, bringing the ORIGINAL question into a real world context: if a Jewish woman were to serve as a surrogate mother, being implated with the fertilized egg of a goy couple, the child wouldn't be considered Jewish, right?
(Of course, that would be a horrible defilement under Judaism, right? Non-kosher eggs. )
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Why shouldn't the Jews have some nice clubs and guns? It must be quite empowering to able to fight back for once, the Palestinians are hardly blameless in that never-ending mess.
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I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
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If my Old Testament is correct, your people were just as bloodthirsty when they were in power.orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
It was a tragedy, but it was 65 years ago, and those people are dead now. We can only hope we've learned something, because it can't be undone... Forget, no. Forgive? That's the goal, I should think.
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I had a big long post typed up, but opted to delete it, because as Omph reminded me the last time I got bent out of shape over this issue - I can never know what it's like to be a jew, or worse a jew in the holy land hearing every day about extremists who want to kill me and everyone I care about.
Let's just say that maybe everything Isreal does is justifed (and for the record, I do agree - most of what they do is exactly what I would do in that position). Maybe it would be justified for Isreal to nuke all the extremist Islamic countries in self defense. But if you follow that line of thinking too far it quickly leads to "maybe it would be justified for everyone else to just nuke the entire middle east including the holy land and save the world from a lot of suffering and danger".
That's not my opinion, but that is where that line of though leads. Just sayin.
Let's just say that maybe everything Isreal does is justifed (and for the record, I do agree - most of what they do is exactly what I would do in that position). Maybe it would be justified for Isreal to nuke all the extremist Islamic countries in self defense. But if you follow that line of thinking too far it quickly leads to "maybe it would be justified for everyone else to just nuke the entire middle east including the holy land and save the world from a lot of suffering and danger".
That's not my opinion, but that is where that line of though leads. Just sayin.
You guys "killed" Jesus. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye...orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
at the very least, Jews got blamed for it.
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Jesus set the whole thing up with Judas. Get over it. He was more cunning than you give him credit for.Fantômas wrote:You guys "killed" Jesus. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye...orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
at the very least, Jews got blamed for it.
Why would Holy Jesus do that?Nekhrun wrote:Jesus set the whole thing up with Judas. Get over it. He was more cunning than you give him credit for.Fantômas wrote:You guys "killed" Jesus. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye...orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
at the very least, Jews got blamed for it.
To split the 30 pieces of silver with Judas?
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No, to become a martyr and start something that would still influence people today. Ever read the Gospel of Judas? You've got to be kidding, by all biblical accounts he could've just run away or stopped the whole thing and you're asking why he did it? Of course it was his plan all along.Fantômas wrote:Why would Holy Jesus do that?Nekhrun wrote:Jesus set the whole thing up with Judas. Get over it. He was more cunning than you give him credit for.Fantômas wrote:You guys "killed" Jesus. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye...orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
at the very least, Jews got blamed for it.
To split the 30 pieces of silver with Judas?
I think it was He's Father's plan but Jesus executed it. Jesus did what the Father Willed. At the very least, you have to admit Jesus has a pair.Nekhrun wrote:No, to become a martyr and start something that would still influence people today. Ever read the Gospel of Judas? You've got to be kidding, by all biblical accounts he could've just run away or stopped the whole thing and you're asking why he did it? Of course it was his plan all along.Fantômas wrote:Why would Holy Jesus do that?Nekhrun wrote:Jesus set the whole thing up with Judas. Get over it. He was more cunning than you give him credit for.Fantômas wrote:You guys "killed" Jesus. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye...orald wrote:I'm kinda not seeing where you're comign from, Chig...where are all the bodies? Ravaged towns? Who's been massacred here? What pogroms?
I just like the Rabbi mentioning pogroms, since we do share that: we remember, we do not forget, and we do not forgive.
And frankly, if anyone thinks I can be like the average westerner here just because I share some of the culture/interests, they're wrong- I cannot forget that a mere 65 years ago two millenia of antisemitism colluminated with the systematic murder of at least 6 million Jews by one of the world's(at the time) most educated, advanced and leading nations.
If that was part of your lennieage(sp?), could you forget...or forgive?
at the very least, Jews got blamed for it.
To split the 30 pieces of silver with Judas?