Shields, How slow is slow?
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Shields, How slow is slow?
I was thinking about this the other day when reading about shield combat. How slow do you have to be to penetrate a shield? Are there different levels of setting? I remember reading that the Barron Harkonnen always had his shield set on a very low setting to give him some protection against attack.
This is just for the story that I am working on here:
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I want to get some shield action in there at some point but I just need to know so it flows, how slow do you actually have to attack.
This is just for the story that I am working on here:
viewtopic.php?t=825
I want to get some shield action in there at some point but I just need to know so it flows, how slow do you actually have to attack.
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Dune, Terminology of the Imperium wrote: SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This
field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield
will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting,
this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted
out only by a shire-sized electric field. (See Lasgun.)
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Hmmm that is quite slow then from a close quaters combat POV. That would suggest that a defender would strike at an attack quickly with a limb to deflect the blow (might be risky though). Thanks for that info it will help alotLisan Al-Gaib wrote:Dune, Terminology of the Imperium wrote: SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This
field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield
will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting,
this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted
out only by a shire-sized electric field. (See Lasgun.)
on the shields
Imagine how painful that would be if it broke through. they would have to slowly sink thier blade into youyou...
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Well, in my way to see it, I think one time the point of your blade have been reached the speed necessary to pass through the shield you can increase the speed, because you have already opened a "hole"in the shield, understand?
Another idea:
One thing is trying to pass through the shield hitting your blade on it (instantaneous pressure), another thing is make continous pressure over the shield. Continous pressure is not speed, so I think you could pass through it. Who agree with me?
Another idea:
One thing is trying to pass through the shield hitting your blade on it (instantaneous pressure), another thing is make continous pressure over the shield. Continous pressure is not speed, so I think you could pass through it. Who agree with me?
No problem!Laphtiya wrote:Hmmm that is quite slow then from a close quaters combat POV. That would suggest that a defender would strike at an attack quickly with a limb to deflect the blow (might be risky though). Thanks for that info it will help alotLisan Al-Gaib wrote:Dune, Terminology of the Imperium wrote: SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This
field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield
will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting,
this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted
out only by a shire-sized electric field. (See Lasgun.)
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Agreed on the second point, and I'm honestly not sure on the first point - though I think that you would have to keep stabbing slowly to avoid being seized up, but I could be wrong.Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:Well, in my way to see it, I think one time the point of your blade have been reached the speed necessary to pass through the shield you can increase the speed, because you have already opened a "hole"in the shield, understand?
Another idea:
One thing is trying to pass through the shield hitting your blade on it (instantaneous pressure), another thing is make continous pressure over the shield. Continous pressure is not speed, so I think you could pass through it. Who agree with me?
No problem!Laphtiya wrote:Hmmm that is quite slow then from a close quaters combat POV. That would suggest that a defender would strike at an attack quickly with a limb to deflect the blow (might be risky though). Thanks for that info it will help alotLisan Al-Gaib wrote:Dune, Terminology of the Imperium wrote: SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This
field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield
will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting,
this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted
out only by a shire-sized electric field. (See Lasgun.)
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But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
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Like that scene at the beginning of the mini Dune 2000? I think it was a good representation...Laphtiya wrote:I always imagined it as up to an inch from the body at maximum.Freakzilla wrote:But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
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What scene? Do you have any link to it on the web (youtube,...)?Rakis wrote:Like that scene at the beginning of the mini Dune 2000? I think it was a good representation...Laphtiya wrote:I always imagined it as up to an inch from the body at maximum.Freakzilla wrote:But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
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No, i don't have a link...It's that scene when Paul is fighting Gurney with Thufir watching. Both are using a small shield, close to the body.Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:What scene? Do you have any link to it on the web (youtube,...)?Rakis wrote:Like that scene at the beginning of the mini Dune 2000? I think it was a good representation...Laphtiya wrote:I always imagined it as up to an inch from the body at maximum.Freakzilla wrote:But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
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Yes I thought that the shields were one of the good things about the mini series. I love and hate the mini series because some things were so spot on and yet the things that were off were WAY off. Like Fremen being out in the open with no stillsuits.Rakis wrote:Like that scene at the beginning of the mini Dune 2000? I think it was a good representation...Laphtiya wrote:I always imagined it as up to an inch from the body at maximum.Freakzilla wrote:But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
But ye sthe shields were one of the things I thought were done well. Shame we didn't see more shield use in that series.
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I'm pretty sure you could drop a nuke, or at least a powerful explosive on one and it'd be fine, there is mention that shields made even heavy artillery obsolete in Dune.Laphtiya wrote:Getting BACK on topic, I have another question about shields.
How much damage can they take. For instance can a big enough attack get through? as in explosives, a really heavy object falling on them?
I do remember reading that they have a charge but that was about it.
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Thats interesting, but what about personal shields how much of a beating could they take?A Thing of Eternity wrote:I'm pretty sure you could drop a nuke, or at least a powerful explosive on one and it'd be fine, there is mention that shields made even heavy artillery obsolete in Dune.Laphtiya wrote:Getting BACK on topic, I have another question about shields.
How much damage can they take. For instance can a big enough attack get through? as in explosives, a really heavy object falling on them?
I do remember reading that they have a charge but that was about it.
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I got the impression that any sized shield can stop pretty much infinitely powerful blows as long as they have power left - whether more powerful blows cause more battery depletion I don't know.Laphtiya wrote:Thats interesting, but what about personal shields how much of a beating could they take?A Thing of Eternity wrote:I'm pretty sure you could drop a nuke, or at least a powerful explosive on one and it'd be fine, there is mention that shields made even heavy artillery obsolete in Dune.Laphtiya wrote:Getting BACK on topic, I have another question about shields.
How much damage can they take. For instance can a big enough attack get through? as in explosives, a really heavy object falling on them?
I do remember reading that they have a charge but that was about it.
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I find it.Rakis wrote:No, i don't have a link...It's that scene when Paul is fighting Gurney with Thufir watching. Both are using a small shield, close to the body.Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:What scene? Do you have any link to it on the web (youtube,...)?Rakis wrote:Like that scene at the beginning of the mini Dune 2000? I think it was a good representation...Laphtiya wrote:I always imagined it as up to an inch from the body at maximum.Freakzilla wrote:But there's also discription of the air inside the shield becoming stale because of the slow interchange of molecules through the shield. So there has to be some space between the body and the inside of the shield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXtv8Q-pQA
Yes, I imagine the body shield like in the mini too.
I was thinking about another detail:
Do you think the body shield enwrap the weapon and the hand together? Or enwrap only the hand, and the blade still out of the shield?
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