Quantum of Solace.

Sole Man · Post by **Sole Man** » 14 Nov 2008 20:23

Dad-duh! Dad-Duh! Da da da da...

It was decent, inferor to Casino Royale. It seemed like like a half-assed effort to me personelley, but they put some money into it.

Oh yeah, and several spoilers for those who care.

I really didn't like the opening sequence, or the opening credits seqeunce either. I thought the song was bad, I thought the images were stupid, and it really didn't amuse me. I didn't like the absense of "James Bond" elements, in that it was to actioney, and didn't have enough fine drinks, gambling, lowlifes in high places, high class villains, ect. the girl was ugly, and I thought she should have died, but she made it anyway.
I did like the action seqeunces anyway. There were enough explosions to keep me intrested, a lot of people wereshot, stabbed, punched, imapled, and riden over, and overall very exicting. The plot was moving, even though I didn't pick parts of it up, and feel that another one should be able to bring it all together.

Overall, a decent James Bond movie, awarded 3 1/2 by some loser critic whose opions don't really matter.

DuneFishUK · Post by **DuneFishUK** » 14 Nov 2008 20:40

That's actually a surprisingly accurate review....

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 14 Nov 2008 21:21

Sole Man wrote: I didn't like the absense of "James Bond" elements, in that it was to actioney, and didn't have enough fine drinks, gambling, lowlifes in high places, high class villains, ect. the girl was ugly, and I thought she should have died, but she made it anyway.

I was watching a Jason Bourne movie, that's what I was feeling.

I like Jason Bourne a lot, but the Casino Royale was stimulating my taste for James Bond movies, and I was expecting to see a real Bond, with class, irony, parties, beautiful women and games. However Daniel Craig is ugly, and that is the truth. He don't have the Bond's mojo. he is a good actor, and did the action scenes very well, but I didn't feel the James Bond on him at this movie. At the Casino Royale he was much better.

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 14 Nov 2008 23:48

The trailers for it didn't look too great to me. I haven't seen it yet (though I'm sure I will at some point), and based on what's been written here, I'm not sure what to expect. I liked Casino Royale, which surprised me since I generally don't care for James Bond movies. I only liked the first Jason Bourne movie and thought the others were trash...

Is the movie Casino Royale meets The Bourne Identity, or is it The James Bourne Supremacy?

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 15 Nov 2008 19:53

Tleszer wrote:The trailers for it didn't look too great to me. I haven't seen it yet (though I'm sure I will at some point), and based on what's been written here, I'm not sure what to expect. I liked Casino Royale, which surprised me since I generally don't care for James Bond movies. I only liked the first Jason Bourne movie and thought the others were trash...

Is the movie Casino Royale meets The Bourne Identity, or is it The James Bourne Supremacy?

It's more The James Bourne Supremacy, buddy.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 15 Nov 2008 20:04

I like Sean Connery with the vodka martinis, gambling and Pussy Galore.

That's James Bond.

Does this one even smoke?

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 15 Nov 2008 20:28

years ago, back when-ever it was they had Remington Steele as Bond, I went around
saying I'd like to see two Bond films made : one with Sean Connery before he dies,
being the same Bond he was in the 60s. Maybe fighting with the KGB colonel that
eventually became the President of the Russian Federation. A called out of retirement
thing. (Never say Never Say Never Again again)

the second would be the real James Bond movie. Call it "Bond". open with a very
young British Navy guy coming ashore in a rubber raft on the coast of France a week
before D-day. Do your big opening montage. Jump to about '51 or so, Bond vs
the KGB or whatever. The biggest mistake the franchise made was to retcon Bond
out of his time-period.

Of course, Ian Fleming was major Hack. The books were and are HORRIBLE.
If you want British Secret Service, the only novels worth reading are John LeCarre's
Circus.

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 15 Nov 2008 20:48

SandRider wrote: Of course, Ian Fleming was major Hack. The books were and are HORRIBLE.

I was thinking to read Casino Royale pocket book.
But now I'm interesting to know what are you referring when you say the Fleming books are horrible: Is it his writing? The plot? Characterization?

DuneFishUK · Post by **DuneFishUK** » 15 Nov 2008 21:28

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:
SandRider wrote: Of course, Ian Fleming was major Hack. The books were and are HORRIBLE.
I was thinking to read Casino Royale pocket book.
But now I'm interesting to know what are you referring when you say the Fleming books are horrible: Is it his writing? The plot? Characterization?

I quite liked Casino Royale - it was a decent read IIRC. I've heard that some of the later books were pretty poor though. I've only read Casino and Dr. No... which was good but a bit mediocre tbh.

I like Daniel Craig as Bond - Casino Royale to an extent, and this one 100% have been not-Bond films - I think their cunning plan is to introduce the bond motifs one step at a time (Not including Q, Moneypenny etc etc). Hopefully the next one will be a more recognisable Bond film (note how they've hardly touched the classic music yet)... it should be good

Oh yeah - one more gripe about this one... he didn't shag the girl

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 15 Nov 2008 21:32

DuneFishUK wrote:Oh yeah - one more gripe about this one... he didn't shag the girl

I guess this really isn't a Bond movie.

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 15 Nov 2008 22:08

Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:
SandRider wrote: Of course, Ian Fleming was major Hack. The books were and are HORRIBLE.
I was thinking to read Casino Royale pocket book.
But now I'm interesting to know what are you referring when you say the Fleming books are horrible: Is it his writing? The plot? Characterization?

I guess my opinion is jaded with time. I saw Dr. No when I was 15, being snuck into the theater by my older brother's buddy who was an usher. I remember reading From Russia, with Love, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, Diamonds are Forever, Dr. No, and Goldfinger one right after the other before, during and after the Kennedy assassination. As a Cold War Kid, they were fan-fucking-tastic. I saw all the Connery movies as they came out, and got pissed off as they went further and further from the plots of the books. By the time of Roger (I'm not gay. No, really) Moore, the whole thing was over for me.

By then, I'd discovered John LeCarre, and done a lot of reading about the real Service, and what Ian Fleming really did in the war. (desk jockey - but he did know some those men) That was in the 70s, I went thru a British Secret Service phase. I went back and re-read Fleming, which compared to the Truth & John LeCarre, was comic-book action-adventure kidstuff.

Maybe calling Ian Fleming a hack is a bit harsh. I haven't read the books in over thirty years, altho I have all of them in the bookshelves, somewhere. I've got the 1980 Heinemann/Octopus compendium first edition in the case here in the study - the binding's never been cracked. It's in line with the well-worn LeCarre hardbacks and the other Service books. Maybe I'll pick it up for a re-evalution.

But by all means, read him. Maybe fresh eyes & distance in time will make a difference. Just keep in mind that Casino Royale was published in 1954. It's a real different world now....

Sole Man · Post by **Sole Man** » 16 Nov 2008 11:51

I love those Bond books. Ian Felmming is one of my favorite authors, the way he describes all the elaborate foods, the exotic beaches, the high-testosterone action, all of it. I like all that "Retro" stuff too, like the 50's and 60's.

As soon as I'm done with I, ROBOT i'm gonna read CASINO ROYALE. I'll let you know what I think. (Even if you don't want to!)

SandRider · Post by **SandRider** » 16 Nov 2008 12:17

I'm glad you like it, Sloey. Like I said, when I was your age, I did too.

but I've just got to point out that it's not really "Retro". Fleming wrote those books in in the 1950s....

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 17 Nov 2008 12:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMoJRLStD9c

This made me laugh quite a bit.

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 17 Nov 2008 12:35

Saw it with friends on Friday. It was a mixed bag.

+ Plenty of action, some solid performances and some good fun to be had
- Excessive plot, weak villain and not a lot of anything new

Le Chiffre, come back! We miss you!

Freakzilla wrote:...and Pussy Galore.

"Honor Blackman...a.k.a. Pussy Galore, right? What a total fucking misnomer."

GamePlayer · Post by **GamePlayer** » 17 Nov 2008 12:45

Drunken Idaho wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMoJRLStD9c

This made me laugh quite a bit.

thingy of wotsit

Definitely my favorite part.

I expected the critics would leap on Quantum of Solace. It wasn't good enough to overcome the awful title and basically destroyed much of the goodwill that was built for Craig with Casino Royale. IMO, I couldn't really care less. Most of the Bonds only produce one or two good films anyway. Goldfinger, Goldeneye and Casino Royale are the only Bond films I can watch more than once.

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 17 Nov 2008 12:57

I was distracted by all the nonsensical action trying to cover up a nonsensical plot designed to show Daniel Craig's (ugly) Bond as badass.

The only things I liked was Ms. Fields (hot redheads ftw) and the Opera House scene.

BTW, excellent vid Drunken Idaho!

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 17 Nov 2008 16:56

GamePlayer wrote:
Drunken Idaho wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMoJRLStD9c

This made me laugh quite a bit.
thingy of wotsit
Definitely my favorite part.

I expected the critics would leap on Quantum of Solace. It wasn't good enough to overcome the awful title and basically destroyed much of the goodwill that was built for Craig with Casino Royale. IMO, I couldn't really care less. Most of the Bonds only produce one or two good films anyway. Goldfinger, Goldeneye and Casino Royale are the only Bond films I can watch more than once.

"The Something of Boris...
I forgot what it's called (is that what it was...)"

"The Quantum of Solace
I've written it down (I'll remember it now...)"

DuneFishUK · Post by **DuneFishUK** » 17 Nov 2008 17:18

Tleszer wrote:I was distracted by all the nonsensical action trying to cover up a nonsensical plot designed to show Daniel Craig's (ugly) Bond as badass.

The only things I liked was Ms. Fields (hot redheads ftw) and the Opera House scene.

BTW, excellent vid Drunken Idaho!

There was something wrong with her hair - I can't put my finger on it... it was just wrong

(Great find Drunken... Joe of Adam and Joe ftw

)

Tleszer · Post by **Tleszer** » 17 Nov 2008 17:39

DuneFishUK wrote:
Tleszer wrote:I was distracted by all the nonsensical action trying to cover up a nonsensical plot designed to show Daniel Craig's (ugly) Bond as badass.

The only things I liked was Ms. Fields (hot redheads ftw) and the Opera House scene.

BTW, excellent vid Drunken Idaho!
There was something wrong with her hair - I can't put my finger on it... it was just wrong

(Great find Drunken... Joe of Adam and Joe ftw )

True, her hair was a just a little too close cut. But at least I understood everything she said. I think.

Sole Man · Post by **Sole Man** » 17 Nov 2008 20:00

She should have been the girl, not the black...ish mexican hispanic alien xenomorph type person.

DuneFishUK · Post by **DuneFishUK** » 17 Nov 2008 20:54

Sole Man wrote:She should have been the girl, not the black...ish mexican hispanic alien xenomorph type person.

Ukrainian?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 17 Nov 2008 21:49

QUANDARY OF SLOEYS

Lisan Al-Gaib · Post by **Lisan Al-Gaib** » 18 Nov 2008 13:31

Sole Man wrote:She should have been the girl, not the black...ish mexican hispanic alien xenomorph type person.

What a prejudice, man.

Lundse · Post by **Lundse** » 18 Nov 2008 15:10

I haven't seen it yet, so I cannot speak as to the quality of the film (though Casino Royale was the first Bond film I liked and I love the new direction they are trying with this reboot).

But what's with the title-bashing?

Frankly, I think it is the best one yet and have no clue why people get confused (and I am not a native English speaker, either).
A quantum is a (small) measure, solace is comfort or respite from grief - it is about getting revenge and what little closure he can after the betrayal and death of his girl from the first movie. How is that difficult?

Seriously, the other titles were fucked up:

Dr No - Corny, sounds like a B-monster-movie.
From Russia With Love - Corny, but OK for a spy movie, I guess.
Goldfinger - Silly reference to Midas, sounds like a porno.
Thunderball - Just silly. I regret that last line, because now this sounds like a porno too...
You Only Live Twice - Too long nonsense, but at least has some bearing on the plot, I suppose (does it?)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - Spy movie. Got it. What else?
Diamonds Are Forever - I see. So what and what kind of movie is this?
Live and Let Die - How is this not a Chuck Norris action-fest?
The Man with the Golden Gun - This was where they checked to see how silly they could get without getting swamped in hate mail.
The Spy Who Loved Me - Is OK, but not particularly good. Is the love thing important, cause otherwise it is... silly.
Moonraker - As the movie, Silly.
For Your Eyes Only - Spy movie title again. Not too bad for the eighties.
Octopussy - I do not have to tell you what this sounds like.
A View to a Kill - Fair enough, spy movie cliche, but fair enough.
The Living Daylights - Again, this sounds like Van Damme, Norris or some other knucklehead knuckling heads.
Licence to Kill - Would make an excellent first Bond movie title, also ok as 16th.
GoldenEye - OK for the standard action that it was, 'the name of the superweapon as the title, why not?'
Tomorrow Never Dies - I am a philosopher and that makes no freakin' sense!
The World is Not Enough - Sounds like some rapper's biographical wherein he shows off his bling.
Die Another Day - OK, if a bit... silly.
Casino Royale - It takes in a casino, right? What else?
Quantum of Solace - The character has gone off the deep end and is using the MI6, his contacts and training to get closure. Violence as therapy, neat!

That said, the video was well-made and funny

J A C U R U T U

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